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You can fill out the forms manually for free? It just sucks.

by loeg 3y ago

tombert 3y ago
I've thought about doing that before just to say that I've done it, but it always seemed a bit intimidating. I also have completely illegible handwriting now, so filling anything in by hand is effectively a non-starter.
- loeg 3y ago
  You can fill in a PDF form rather than writing it by hand.
bluGill 3y ago
I quit doing paper forms ~10 years ago when I missed coping line 12c from form 5678-e to line 34-f of form 9876-k. The hassle of correcting that was enough to make me quit doing taxes by hand. It takes longer to do my taxes via the web forms than it did by hand (which says just how bad the UI of tax prep is!), but it saves me from human mistakes. Note that the ISR already has all the information they need to do my taxes for me. They just don't do them.
- tomcam 3y ago
  > it saves me from human mistakes Not me! FreeFillableForms is apparently the last piece of software in the western world that doesn’t save your progress as you go. I found that out the hard way about three days ago and immediately switched to freetaxusa.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    I use freetaxusa as well (well their paid version from same company). It is slower than paper, but it saves progress.
    - tomcam 3y ago
      Although it’s slower than paper, it gives you an up-to-date dynamic final results so that’s pretty cool
callalex 3y ago
I can also walk down to the nearby river to launder my clothes and carry back water to prepare food for my family. Instead we use technology to save time and improve our lives. That we continue to allow corrupt businesses to hold us back so a few people can extort/profit is a testament to our failed state.
- tomcam 3y ago
  At least you live in an awesome neighborhood
II2II 3y ago
It's not that it sucks, it is error prone. Completely ignore a knowledge of tax law for a moment. Data has to be copied from one form to another, copied for calculation (whether you do it on paper or with a calculator), copied from one line to another, and finally copied from the form into the government's tax software. Each step produces the potential for error. Properly written software does not have the same potential for error.
- loeg 3y ago
  It sounds like you're agreeing with me that it sucks.
- drdec 3y ago
  > Properly written software does not have the same potential for error. To err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer. As a user, how do you know that the tax software you are using was "properly written"?
  - aeries 3y ago
    I'm not following the point of this comment? TurboTax's correctness is battle-tested by millions of people every year- the odds of you making a mistake carrying over numbers by hand are way higher than TT making a calculation error.

You can fill out the forms manually for free? It just sucks.

by loeg 3y ago

You can fill out the forms manually for free? It just sucks.

I've thought about doing that before just to say that I've done it, but it always seemed a bit intimidating. I also have completely illegible handwriting now, so filling anything in by hand is effectively a non-starter.

loeg 3y ago
You can fill in a PDF form rather than writing it by hand.

bluGill 3y ago

I quit doing paper forms ~10 years ago when I missed coping line 12c from form 5678-e to line 34-f of form 9876-k. The hassle of correcting that was enough to make me quit doing taxes by hand. It takes longer to do my taxes via the web forms than it did by hand (which says just how bad the UI of tax prep is!), but it saves me from human mistakes. Note that the ISR already has all the information they need to do my taxes for me. They just don't do them.

tomcam 3y ago
> it saves me from human mistakes Not me! FreeFillableForms is apparently the last piece of software in the western world that doesn’t save your progress as you go. I found that out the hard way about three days ago and immediately switched to freetaxusa.
- bluGill 3y ago
  I use freetaxusa as well (well their paid version from same company). It is slower than paper, but it saves progress.
  - tomcam 3y ago
    Although it’s slower than paper, it gives you an up-to-date dynamic final results so that’s pretty cool

callalex 3y ago

I can also walk down to the nearby river to launder my clothes and carry back water to prepare food for my family. Instead we use technology to save time and improve our lives. That we continue to allow corrupt businesses to hold us back so a few people can extort/profit is a testament to our failed state.

tomcam 3y ago
At least you live in an awesome neighborhood

II2II 3y ago

It's not that it sucks, it is error prone. Completely ignore a knowledge of tax law for a moment. Data has to be copied from one form to another, copied for calculation (whether you do it on paper or with a calculator), copied from one line to another, and finally copied from the form into the government's tax software. Each step produces the potential for error. Properly written software does not have the same potential for error.

loeg 3y ago
It sounds like you're agreeing with me that it sucks.
drdec 3y ago
> Properly written software does not have the same potential for error. To err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer. As a user, how do you know that the tax software you are using was "properly written"?
- aeries 3y ago
  I'm not following the point of this comment? TurboTax's correctness is battle-tested by millions of people every year- the odds of you making a mistake carrying over numbers by hand are way higher than TT making a calculation error.