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The US justice system seems very odd to this European. Then I realize that if the EU project ever were to reach its presumed goals (by some), we'd probably end
by tpmx 3y ago
The US justice system seems very odd to this European. Then I realize that if the EU project ever were to reach its presumed goals (by some), we'd probably end up with something pretty similar in terms of "oddness complexity".
- cryptonector 3y agoI'd say you're already there.
- tpmx 3y agoIn terms of law enforcement: I disagree. It's like 97% national still. In terms of civil disputes between citizens from different member countries - well, we don't have any phone/internet/post police.
- cryptonector 3y agoBut you have the European arrest warrant now, right? So it may all be national, but also kinda international.
- marcus0x62 3y agoOh, it is absolutely wild, which I don't think is a very good characteristic for a legal system, especially one where the rule is that 'ignorance of the law is not a defense'.
- ben_w 3y agoI think we need a new take on that phrase, something like "ignorance of the law must not be a reasonable defence" — when the law is too complex for most people to understand, it is vulnerable to capricious enforcement, malicious compliance, and unwitting everyday violations being held against the politically undesirable. Not only do I have absolutely no idea how to get from here to there, I also assume the degree of simplification I desire — to the point that normal people know what's going on most of the time — is the legal equivalent of saying "Twitter doesn't need 6000 employees because Mark Zuckerberg wrote Facebook by himself in college" in a software engineering context, and wrong for much the same reasons.
- marcus0x62 3y agoI think we could start by requiring mens rea for any felony offense.
- TacticalCoder 3y agoOne of my favorite saying is this: "The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state" (thousands years old saying and nothing has changed). And, oh boy, do we have many laws. It is by design, to oppress the people.
- vasco 3y agoAt work do you also say the legacy projects that are a pain to work with are by design, to oppress the programmers?
- BeFlatXIII 3y agoYou don't even need to consider ALL laws. Just look at the tax code in isolation for good examples.
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- jonathankoren 3y agoI often think it’s because Europe doesn’t typically have federalism.
- williamcotton 3y agoI’m sure to anyone in the UK these ancient oddities seem pretty familiar.
- chinchilla2020 3y agoIt is directly based on the UK's legal system. I am sure the same oddities are present there as well. Probably moreso since they are an old country.
- thayne 3y ago> The US justice system seems very odd to this European. I very much agree. And I live in the US.