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Even Go has randomness, no? After all, you need to decide who goes first, usually at random
by etskinner 3y ago
Even Go has randomness, no? After all, you need to decide who goes first, usually at random
- dragontamer 3y agoBetween the 5.5 Komi vs 6.5 Komi debate, its not very clear if Go has a 1st-player advantage or a 2nd-player advantage. Superhuman strength AI-Go has given us more data on this subject (suggesting 6.5 Komi is balanced). Since both players are balanced as far as we can tell (first turn starts off with a 6.5 point disadvantage, and the half-point difference forces a winner. No draws), it doesn't really matter who goes first. If in the future, a super-super AI performs deeper analysis and determines say... 7.5 Komi is the best, I'm sure that Go players all around would update the game rules as appropriate to the new understanding of what a balanced game is. (After all, 6.5 Komi itself is an experiment, albeit the most successful experiment, for balancing the game).
- morelisp 3y agoKomi already ranges from 5.5 to 7.5 in tournaments today, I think. The long-term trend has so far always been upwards; as recently as the 50s 4.5 was standard.
- dragontamer 3y agoYeah, Komi debate is still alive. But... with AlphaGo / KataGo available today to perform automated analysis of Komi, I'm thinking that the debate will finally end with 6.5. Though maybe I'm just being optimistic with regards to the debate. IIRC, engines like LeelaZero / Katago has the following result: 5.5 favors 1st player, and 7.5 favors 2nd player. And 6.5 is just right. --------- Komi has trended upwards because it originally was zero, which was obviously wrong. Note: Chinese rules changes Komi calculations. 6.5 Komi Japanese is IIRC equivalent to 7.5 Komi Chinese.