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How is that in any way the currently accepted origin of the pandemic?

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
I know, it's crazy right? There are people here that just blindly assume that because the NIH lied about 1-degree indirectly funding gain of function research on coronaviruses at China's only level4 bio lab, where workers were just happened to be some of the first that got sick, where security protocols were admitted to being flawed, and the Chinese government came in and deleted data... that any of this means it came from there!? When in reality we all know China said it maybe came from a wet market in the same city (as the only Level4 biolab), because someone ate a bat. You and I have higher burdens of proof than these "conspiracy theory" pushers.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  Anyone can cherrypick what they believe - it just doesn't mean much in the real world. With respect to the lab leak hypothesis largely a US phenomenon, though.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    Uh? It's basically what everyone believes almost everywhere I went. In North Africa for sure, in Canada it's a bit less common but still extremely widespread. So I'm not sure you meant by it being a US only phenomenon? If anything it's actually a pretty divisive debate in the US,.
    - RandomLensman 3y ago
      Who are you talking to? No-one I speak to in Europe cares but some US media do, though. Some niche circles might in Europe, but then there are hobbyist for everything.
      - mardifoufs 3y ago
        https://pro.morningconsult.com/instant-intel/covid-19-lab-leak-theory-survey-data https://pro.morningconsult.com/instant-intel/covid-19-lab-le... There you go, France, the UK, Italy and Spain all have a higher proportion (or even a majority) of people believing in the lab leak theory than in the US. Germany is very close too.
        RandomLensman 3y ago
        No-one cares (it's a non-topic) so not sure what a survey even means then (and the survey is 6 months old).
        SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
        The first rule of digging a hole is stop. But I’ll bite. You are saying that people in Europe over the last six month think that a lab leak is less likely now than they had? Hmm, hot take.
        RandomLensman 3y ago
        No. I am saying I don't know what it means to ask people about something in a survey that isn't a topic of discussion, i.e., asking about things that people don't care about. There will be an opinion but that doesn't mean anyone cares about it or there is discussion about it.
        nvm0n2 3y ago
        I live in Europe. People do absolutely care, why would they not. Had lots of discussions about it here. What a weird argument this is anyway, proof by European? What is this?
        RandomLensman 3y ago
        Like on almost any topic, the majority of people doesn't care (and looking at media coverage, less so in the EU than in the US). If you force people via a survey to have a view on something like that the answers are not meaningful. Some hobbyists caring and going down rabbit holes just doesn't mean much as far as what actually happened is concerned.

I know, it's crazy right? There are people here that just blindly assume that because the NIH lied about 1-degree indirectly funding gain of function research on coronaviruses at China's only level4 bio lab, where workers were just happened to be some of the first that got sick, where security protocols were admitted to being flawed, and the Chinese government came in and deleted data... that any of this means it came from there!? When in reality we all know China said it maybe came from a wet market in the same city (as the only Level4 biolab), because someone ate a bat. You and I have higher burdens of proof than these "conspiracy theory" pushers.

RandomLensman 3y ago
Anyone can cherrypick what they believe - it just doesn't mean much in the real world. With respect to the lab leak hypothesis largely a US phenomenon, though.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  Uh? It's basically what everyone believes almost everywhere I went. In North Africa for sure, in Canada it's a bit less common but still extremely widespread. So I'm not sure you meant by it being a US only phenomenon? If anything it's actually a pretty divisive debate in the US,.
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    Who are you talking to? No-one I speak to in Europe cares but some US media do, though. Some niche circles might in Europe, but then there are hobbyist for everything.
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      https://pro.morningconsult.com/instant-intel/covid-19-lab-leak-theory-survey-data https://pro.morningconsult.com/instant-intel/covid-19-lab-le... There you go, France, the UK, Italy and Spain all have a higher proportion (or even a majority) of people believing in the lab leak theory than in the US. Germany is very close too.
      - RandomLensman 3y ago
        No-one cares (it's a non-topic) so not sure what a survey even means then (and the survey is 6 months old).
        SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
        The first rule of digging a hole is stop. But I’ll bite. You are saying that people in Europe over the last six month think that a lab leak is less likely now than they had? Hmm, hot take.
        RandomLensman 3y ago
        No. I am saying I don't know what it means to ask people about something in a survey that isn't a topic of discussion, i.e., asking about things that people don't care about. There will be an opinion but that doesn't mean anyone cares about it or there is discussion about it.
        nvm0n2 3y ago
        I live in Europe. People do absolutely care, why would they not. Had lots of discussions about it here. What a weird argument this is anyway, proof by European? What is this?
        RandomLensman 3y ago
        Like on almost any topic, the majority of people doesn't care (and looking at media coverage, less so in the EU than in the US). If you force people via a survey to have a view on something like that the answers are not meaningful. Some hobbyists caring and going down rabbit holes just doesn't mean much as far as what actually happened is concerned.