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Wow, I did a double take in your second paragraph thinking I was reading a comment I had left earlier, lol. But right on, I feel exactly the same. I do plant t

Wow, I did a double take in your second paragraph thinking I was reading a comment I had left earlier, lol. But right on, I feel exactly the same. I do plant transformation and we call these experiments, mRNA "transient-expression" assays, as in, transiently transgenic. It was so weird from my perspective that we were going to start using the common lab technique to test genes on people. The only two facts I needed were that over 80% of people that have had COVID never even knew they had it, it's that mild. And of the people that even show symptoms it have over a 99% recovery rate.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> over 80% of people that have had COVID never even knew they had it This depended strongly on which variant you got. Early on, it was inefficiently deadly. (In its current form, I don't think Covid is a problem.) > over a 99% recovery rate Fewer than 1% of Americans died from Covid [1]. On a case fatality basis, about 99% survived. Lack of mortality != recovery. [1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
fzeroracer 3y ago
You realize early on into the pandemic our hospital systems were struggling with the amount of patients that had to come in and see urgent care, right? As in, other people with more treatable conditions were dying because hospitals were filled up and there were no staff or beds available. Like this is just an objective fact. COVID now is far more mild because of vaccination and how the virus has evolved (Omnicron being far more mild than the earlier variants).
- somenameforme 3y ago
  Vaccines have no effect on whether a virus mutates to become milder or more virulent. Effective vaccines, which prevent spread, can eliminate a disease, but clearly the COVID vaccines failed on that front. So for instance the Spanish Flu was an unimaginably brutal disease that primarily killed people in the 20-40 year old range! [1] Just terrifying stuff. But it never disappeared. It's still with us today as a variant of the common seasonal flu. The next time you've a winter fever and some congestion, you might well have the Spanish Flu, or what it's become at least. And obviously there were no vaccines for the Spanish Flu. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Patterns_of_fatality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Patterns_of_fatali...
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  - fzeroracer 3y ago
    Yes, and the flu is milder both because of vaccination and the way it's evolved. But even the seasonal flu kills quite a few people every year, the reason why we think it to be milder is because we've gotten used to how it primarily affects vaccinated people. Like what you've done there is a fallacy a lot of people commit, that they conflate seasonal viruses, colds, allergies etc with the flu. But when you actually get the flu, you know it.
    - kylebenzle 3y ago
      No one thinks the flu is mild. Ask ANY doctor or nurse, have "the flu" is hell on earth. You are thinking of the common cold.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> over 80% of people that have had COVID never even knew they had it This depended strongly on which variant you got. Early on, it was inefficiently deadly. (In its current form, I don't think Covid is a problem.) > over a 99% recovery rate Fewer than 1% of Americans died from Covid [1]. On a case fatality basis, about 99% survived. Lack of mortality != recovery. [1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

fzeroracer 3y ago

You realize early on into the pandemic our hospital systems were struggling with the amount of patients that had to come in and see urgent care, right? As in, other people with more treatable conditions were dying because hospitals were filled up and there were no staff or beds available. Like this is just an objective fact. COVID now is far more mild because of vaccination and how the virus has evolved (Omnicron being far more mild than the earlier variants).

somenameforme 3y ago
Vaccines have no effect on whether a virus mutates to become milder or more virulent. Effective vaccines, which prevent spread, can eliminate a disease, but clearly the COVID vaccines failed on that front. So for instance the Spanish Flu was an unimaginably brutal disease that primarily killed people in the 20-40 year old range! [1] Just terrifying stuff. But it never disappeared. It's still with us today as a variant of the common seasonal flu. The next time you've a winter fever and some congestion, you might well have the Spanish Flu, or what it's become at least. And obviously there were no vaccines for the Spanish Flu. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Patterns_of_fatality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Patterns_of_fatali...
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- fzeroracer 3y ago
  Yes, and the flu is milder both because of vaccination and the way it's evolved. But even the seasonal flu kills quite a few people every year, the reason why we think it to be milder is because we've gotten used to how it primarily affects vaccinated people. Like what you've done there is a fallacy a lot of people commit, that they conflate seasonal viruses, colds, allergies etc with the flu. But when you actually get the flu, you know it.
  - kylebenzle 3y ago
    No one thinks the flu is mild. Ask ANY doctor or nurse, have "the flu" is hell on earth. You are thinking of the common cold.