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Harmless fun? If you're able to empathize and have a bit of social anxiety Frasier is the most high stakes show ever. The brothers get themselves into the stup

Harmless fun? If you're able to empathize and have a bit of social anxiety Frasier is the most high stakes show ever. The brothers get themselves into the stupidest situations, make asses of themselves, and never come out on top. Its the opposite of Seinfeld( great show).

Waterluvian 3y ago
Yeah, totally fair. If one is very emphatic to that kind of thing, it can definitely be uncomfortable. What I generally intend by "harmless fun" is exemplified by the episode where they buy and ruin a posh restaurant in a day, but you never hear any mention of the financial ruin from that. Whether they're super rich or not is simply not explored in the show because it's not relevant to the goals of the storyteller. It's like a cartoon: they've just got infinite resources whenever a plot calls for it. That's quite unlike Bob's Burgers, for example, where they're constantly pointing out that they can't even pay rent on time and there's a constant looming anxiety about finances (which to the credit of the show, contrasts meaningfully with how the children are happy and healthy and want for little)
- sheepybloke 3y ago
  > That's quite unlike Bob's Burgers, for example, where they're constantly pointing out that they can't even pay rent on time and there's a constant looming anxiety about finances To your point, like Fraiser, it's often used a plot device in Bob's Burgers and generally, like Fraiser, everything turns out OK. For me, a lot of it is more defining the social class and context of the show. Will the character be comfortable in a wine club? How will they interact with this setting? What problems would they have?
- tomjakubowski 3y ago
  > Whether they're super rich or not is simply not explored in the show because it's not relevant to the goals of the storyteller. What?? I thought the show obviously portrayed Frasier and Niles as wealthy yuppies. Frasier rents a luxurious 3 bedroom apartment and Niles is married to a woman named Maris who is the heir to a urinal cake fortune. They live in a mansion!
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
    I think the point was more that they were never lacking resources. They had exactly as much money as required. There were plenty of minor plot arcs which would bankrupt a normal person. The casual spending of money was just a means to change the scene and/or make the inevitable failure inconsequential.
  - mywittyname 3y ago
    Since he had a nationally syndicated talk show host, I always assumed that he was meant to be approximately Howard Stern (pre-Sirius) rich.
    - TMWNN 3y ago
      >Since he had a nationally syndicated talk show host Not nationally syndicated. Only broadcast in the Seattle area.
  - smsm42 3y ago
    One of the plot lines deals with Miles getting a divorce and temporarily having to live like a normal non-rich person, driving a hatchback (which he calls a hunchback) and living in an appartment. Before (and soon after) Miles is quite affluent, and Fraiser is not far behind.
    - ascagnel_ 3y ago
      He's not living in a stereotypical apartment -- it has a large living space (in which he's able to host fairly large parties for the upper crust), a well-appointed kitchen, a separate floor for bedrooms, and a third floor that's never seen on the show.
      - valarauko 3y ago
        > He's not living in a stereotypical apartment I think the parent is referring to Niles' brief stay at the Shangri-La, not the Montana.
- swayvil 3y ago
  They are insulated. By their wealth. By their professions and education. By their infinite capacity for... I don't want to call it "self deception". But their fine intellects allow them to interpret anything to suit their preferences. To rationalize anything. And they do. Which is some oft used plot grist, of course.
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TMWNN 3y ago
>Harmless fun? If you're able to empathize and have a bit of social anxiety Frasier is the most high stakes show ever. I've seen and loved 99% of Frasier episodes, and never once thought of it as a high-stakes show. Perhaps it's because I lack empathy, but I'd like to think that it's that I have always lacked the desire for pretension (despite having an educational, professional, and social background not dissimilar to the Crane brothers'), so never took personally the anxiety Frasier or Niles felt at failing to fit into some gathering of their peers. Upon further pondering, more proof of this is that I am among those who get very anxious when I see people get embarrassed. But it has to be a situation where it feels "unfair". When Frasier or Niles make fools of themselves it's always because of their own pretensions, not anyone else's.

Waterluvian 3y ago

Yeah, totally fair. If one is very emphatic to that kind of thing, it can definitely be uncomfortable. What I generally intend by "harmless fun" is exemplified by the episode where they buy and ruin a posh restaurant in a day, but you never hear any mention of the financial ruin from that. Whether they're super rich or not is simply not explored in the show because it's not relevant to the goals of the storyteller. It's like a cartoon: they've just got infinite resources whenever a plot calls for it. That's quite unlike Bob's Burgers, for example, where they're constantly pointing out that they can't even pay rent on time and there's a constant looming anxiety about finances (which to the credit of the show, contrasts meaningfully with how the children are happy and healthy and want for little)

sheepybloke 3y ago
> That's quite unlike Bob's Burgers, for example, where they're constantly pointing out that they can't even pay rent on time and there's a constant looming anxiety about finances To your point, like Fraiser, it's often used a plot device in Bob's Burgers and generally, like Fraiser, everything turns out OK. For me, a lot of it is more defining the social class and context of the show. Will the character be comfortable in a wine club? How will they interact with this setting? What problems would they have?
tomjakubowski 3y ago
> Whether they're super rich or not is simply not explored in the show because it's not relevant to the goals of the storyteller. What?? I thought the show obviously portrayed Frasier and Niles as wealthy yuppies. Frasier rents a luxurious 3 bedroom apartment and Niles is married to a woman named Maris who is the heir to a urinal cake fortune. They live in a mansion!
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  I think the point was more that they were never lacking resources. They had exactly as much money as required. There were plenty of minor plot arcs which would bankrupt a normal person. The casual spending of money was just a means to change the scene and/or make the inevitable failure inconsequential.
- mywittyname 3y ago
  Since he had a nationally syndicated talk show host, I always assumed that he was meant to be approximately Howard Stern (pre-Sirius) rich.
  - TMWNN 3y ago
    >Since he had a nationally syndicated talk show host Not nationally syndicated. Only broadcast in the Seattle area.
- smsm42 3y ago
  One of the plot lines deals with Miles getting a divorce and temporarily having to live like a normal non-rich person, driving a hatchback (which he calls a hunchback) and living in an appartment. Before (and soon after) Miles is quite affluent, and Fraiser is not far behind.
  - ascagnel_ 3y ago
    He's not living in a stereotypical apartment -- it has a large living space (in which he's able to host fairly large parties for the upper crust), a well-appointed kitchen, a separate floor for bedrooms, and a third floor that's never seen on the show.
    - valarauko 3y ago
      > He's not living in a stereotypical apartment I think the parent is referring to Niles' brief stay at the Shangri-La, not the Montana.
swayvil 3y ago
They are insulated. By their wealth. By their professions and education. By their infinite capacity for... I don't want to call it "self deception". But their fine intellects allow them to interpret anything to suit their preferences. To rationalize anything. And they do. Which is some oft used plot grist, of course.

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TMWNN 3y ago

>Harmless fun? If you're able to empathize and have a bit of social anxiety Frasier is the most high stakes show ever. I've seen and loved 99% of Frasier episodes, and never once thought of it as a high-stakes show. Perhaps it's because I lack empathy, but I'd like to think that it's that I have always lacked the desire for pretension (despite having an educational, professional, and social background not dissimilar to the Crane brothers'), so never took personally the anxiety Frasier or Niles felt at failing to fit into some gathering of their peers. Upon further pondering, more proof of this is that I am among those who get very anxious when I see people get embarrassed. But it has to be a situation where it feels "unfair". When Frasier or Niles make fools of themselves it's always because of their own pretensions, not anyone else's.