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Both the US and China are working to decouple their economies long term, starting with the most critical sectors first. Both sides are aware that there are shor
by xgl5k 3y ago
Both the US and China are working to decouple their economies long term, starting with the most critical sectors first. Both sides are aware that there are short term consequences and some of their businesses may suffer but that in the long run decoupling will be better for their respective countries.
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- pk-protect-ai 3y ago>> in the long run decoupling will be better for their respective countries Globalization and collaboration making a huge difference in pace of the progress. Segregation and compartmentalization are very bad for everyone in a long run.
- SubiculumCode 3y agoprobably yes. although that's a bit of an article of faith. in analogy, I wonder how much progress and innovation, and general world progress, has resulted from opening the internet to include Russia, for example. Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world. Another analogy: Incorporating cancer cells into the body rather than sanctioning their growth, is a sure path to death. this is not a directly equate China to cancer, especially the Chinese people to cancer. That's clearly incorrect. however, I do think it is correct to expect our trading partners to eventually establish trust with each other, on the geopolitical sphere, and if that fails to appear, it makes sense to diversify our strategic resources and partnerships
- verdverm 3y ago> Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world. The Chinese people are fine. You can see some great projects on GitHub for example. I hear Shenzen is something special. The CCP is the problem, not the Chinese generally
- bluGill 3y agoI have no way to make that distinction. By virtual of living under the CCP, the Chinese people are also implicated as unethical and untrustworthy.
- verdverm 3y agoYou don't find classifying and treating a whole group of people the same... bigatory? You don't think there are Chinese that want a different governance model for their country?
- TaylorAlexander 3y agoGenerally inappropriate broad over generalization.
- bluGill 3y agoLike most people not in China, I never deal with individual people, just the country. I see nothing inappropriate about my generalization, please go into more detail so I can figure out what you are talking about.
- jacquesm 3y agoYou just painted 1B+ people with the same broad brush, on account of something that they likely had very little choice in. Unacceptable, really.
- protomolecule 3y ago"I wonder how much progress and innovation, and general world progress, has resulted from opening the internet to include Russia, for example." Off the top of my head -- nginx which is by some metrics the most popular web server[0]. Or Kotlin -- the programming language that Google recommends for writing Android apps[1]. "Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world." Could you tell how have you come to this way of thinking about a whole nation? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx [1] https://developer.android.com/kotlin/first https://developer.android.com/kotlin/first
- jacquesm 3y agoAnd are a preliminary to war.
- xgl5k 3y agoyes we are already amidst Cold War II.
- verdverm 3y ago> in the long run decoupling will be better for their respective countries. That's populism seeping into the mind. Globle trade and collaboration have raised many people from poverty. It's how China and the US got to where they are today. Decoupling increases the likelihood of confrontation. The US did similar to this with Japan just before WW2
- bluGill 3y agoTrue, but what can you do. China is not showing signs today of being a good long term partner, so the US feels forced to escalate, and in return China does more. 15 years ago I thought that China would improve, but with Xi in power I no longer do. Only time will tell, but things are not looking: in the worst cases coupling would be even worse.
- verdverm 3y agoCoupling means the cost of war is much hirer, especially for the people's daily lives Coupling has a big impact on deterrence and not going to war in the first place. If you want war, then advocate for the regressive isolationist polices. If you don't want war, then look for places where we can collaborate, like climate change and trade
- liuliu 3y agoYes. But also the U.S. sees no way to influence the faction of China to the ways of the U.S. influence traditionally worked in China (unlike how China can influence the U.S. politics). So the cooperation game quickly becomes a game of one benefactor. It is a bad situation we are in but the U.S. cannot solely determines the outcome. China must have some structural changes to convince otherwise influence is possible.
- xgl5k 3y agoUS and USSR were decoupled in the Cold War; US and China will probably be decoupled in Cold War II.
- baybal2 3y ago
- londons_explore 3y agoDecoupling economies is step 1 to war. Perhaps still 30 years away... but I think it will happen, and a war between two nuclear nations won't be pretty (although I doubt it'll actually be a nuclear war)
- dageshi 3y agoDemographically I'm not sure China will be in a position to fight a war with the US in 30 years?
- Goodroo 3y agoThe minorites who will be the majority will not be committed to imperialism and empire building like the current Caucasians who are in charge of the US.
- londons_explore 3y agoI don't think a 2050 war between developed economies will involve many people... It'll be drove vs drone mostly. It'll be a test of the economies of the nations to see who can build most high tech drones quickest and who can do R&D fastest to outclass the enemies inventions. Drone aircraft, ships, missiles, bombs. I hope that as soon as one side has clearly better and more drones, the other will surrender, ideally before substantial loss of life.
- londons_explore 3y agoStarting from a population 3x higher, it may not matter...
- xgl5k 3y agoCold War II has already started
- _Parfait_ 3y agoThe decoupling is vastly overblown and likely impossible.