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You're in your mid thirties, and still talking like this. Clearly nobody has ever done it to you!

by tom_ 3y ago

mcpackieh 3y ago
> You're in your mid thirties, and still talking like this. This constitutes a personal insult (calling him immature for his age), so you aren't walking your talk. In this comment you're going much further than Linus's review being discussed, which doesn't contain any personal insults. Maybe you think you're giving zelon88 a taste of his medicine like this, but if truly believe that people are obliged to communicate in a corporate-friendly manner you wouldn't be dishing out personal abuse like this to make a point. Overt tit-for-tat abusive communication doesn't fly in a modern psuedo-friendly corporate environment; you have to be more clever about it. In other words, you should lead by example. > Clearly nobody has ever done it to you! You really think nobody has ever been curt or even rude with zelon88? That beggars belief. Of course he has been on the receiving end of it; everybody has. Don't waste your time with the "you don't know what it's like" argument, nobody is going to believe that. You're wasting your time and undermining yourself with this tit-for-tat approach.
- ajkjk 3y ago
  > In this comment you're going much further than Linus's review being discussed, which doesn't contain any personal insults. well... no...
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    I'll repeat what I said elsewhere in this thread. Linus insulted the code, not the person who wrote it. In engineering, conflating criticism of your work with personal criticism of yourself is a sin.
    - ajkjk 3y ago
      Yeah, you were wrong elsewhere in the thread also. By treating the person who wrote it like shit, he insulted the person who wrote it. Words like "pointless" and "obvious" and "christ" and "illogical" and "worthless" are not emotionally uncharged words. Using those words is about communicating how he thinks the person, not the code, is a moron who needs to feel bad about their work.
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        If an engineer can't receive criticism of their work without getting their feelings hurt, then other engineers they work with will be inclined to softball criticism of the work to preserve that engineer's feelings. Letting inter-personal considerations get in the way of engineering is a liability to the process. Engineers need to have thick skin and remember that they are not their work.
- tom_ 3y ago
  No insult, just bemusement at what i see - perhaps incorrectly, but where's the fun in being reasonable? - as inattentiveness regarding what in my experience have proven effective communication styles when dealing with disparate people working towards a common goal. And, yes, there's an element of playing to the crowd in my comment, that I'd assumed would be so obvious that it doesn't need breaking down as you have done. But perhaps not. Outside that sort of situation, of course, do what you like - just as I did.

You're in your mid thirties, and still talking like this. Clearly nobody has ever done it to you!

by tom_ 3y ago

You're in your mid thirties, and still talking like this. Clearly nobody has ever done it to you!

> You're in your mid thirties, and still talking like this. This constitutes a personal insult (calling him immature for his age), so you aren't walking your talk. In this comment you're going much further than Linus's review being discussed, which doesn't contain any personal insults. Maybe you think you're giving zelon88 a taste of his medicine like this, but if truly believe that people are obliged to communicate in a corporate-friendly manner you wouldn't be dishing out personal abuse like this to make a point. Overt tit-for-tat abusive communication doesn't fly in a modern psuedo-friendly corporate environment; you have to be more clever about it. In other words, you should lead by example. > Clearly nobody has ever done it to you! You really think nobody has ever been curt or even rude with zelon88? That beggars belief. Of course he has been on the receiving end of it; everybody has. Don't waste your time with the "you don't know what it's like" argument, nobody is going to believe that. You're wasting your time and undermining yourself with this tit-for-tat approach.

ajkjk 3y ago
> In this comment you're going much further than Linus's review being discussed, which doesn't contain any personal insults. well... no...
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  I'll repeat what I said elsewhere in this thread. Linus insulted the code, not the person who wrote it. In engineering, conflating criticism of your work with personal criticism of yourself is a sin.
  - ajkjk 3y ago
    Yeah, you were wrong elsewhere in the thread also. By treating the person who wrote it like shit, he insulted the person who wrote it. Words like "pointless" and "obvious" and "christ" and "illogical" and "worthless" are not emotionally uncharged words. Using those words is about communicating how he thinks the person, not the code, is a moron who needs to feel bad about their work.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      If an engineer can't receive criticism of their work without getting their feelings hurt, then other engineers they work with will be inclined to softball criticism of the work to preserve that engineer's feelings. Letting inter-personal considerations get in the way of engineering is a liability to the process. Engineers need to have thick skin and remember that they are not their work.
tom_ 3y ago
No insult, just bemusement at what i see - perhaps incorrectly, but where's the fun in being reasonable? - as inattentiveness regarding what in my experience have proven effective communication styles when dealing with disparate people working towards a common goal. And, yes, there's an element of playing to the crowd in my comment, that I'd assumed would be so obvious that it doesn't need breaking down as you have done. But perhaps not. Outside that sort of situation, of course, do what you like - just as I did.