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My feedback: this is artificially generated art, and is meaningless. Why would I spend any amount of time or effort on this when there is art made with intent b

My feedback: this is artificially generated art, and is meaningless. Why would I spend any amount of time or effort on this when there is art made with intent by humans?

mensetmanusman 3y ago
In the near future you may have little to no idea whether art was made by ai or not unless you see it happen in person. Maybe contemplating this future is necessary?
- huimang 3y ago
  Contemplating authenticity (and ways that we can reasonably prove it) is a different discussion than wholesale generating ai "art" that has zero intent or meaning.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Does the massive amounts of corporate 'art' have any intent and meaning? Does art require intent and meaning?
    - huimang 3y ago
      That's mass-produced furniture. And yes, the original intent/artist meaning of an art piece are extremely important when looking on as a viewer, even if the viewer ends up giving it a different meaning.
  - zonkerdonker 3y ago
    Sunsets don't have intent or meaning. A whole lot of people still like to look at them, or even assign their own meaning to the them, or other random machinations of the universe.
    - huimang 3y ago
      There is meaning in that the artist chose a sunset as the subject of the piece, and they decide the composition and colouring, etc. It's all done with intent. And in pieces with more than 1 element, the various objects -do- have symbolism or were chosen with some theme in mind. We're talking about art, not phone wallpaper screens.
Auracle 3y ago
I personally spent many hours on one image starting with 3D printing armor, photographing it on my wife, and using that image as a base for ControlNet + Stable Diffusion to replace the armor, and then compositing it back in. Some people just type in “pretty woman wearing armor.” Where’s the line?
- huimang 3y ago
  An Artist* utilizing different mediums & tools to achieve an intended vision is different than someone typing a few words on a whim and re-generating until the magic box outputs something roughly close to what they want. Using ML as part of an overall workflow is much more gray. The line is where we draw it, and we have to draw it somewhere. It's clear to anyone that typing prompts into a black box (that likely was trained on stolen art) and expending zero effort other than selecting from the randomly generated images is different than the process you described. * simply writing prompts doesn't make anyone an artist
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    > and re-generating until the magic box outputs something roughly close to what they want That is a form of a creative human effort. Not that different from a photographer who shoots a couple dozen photos on the go, and later selects one or few they like best, to publish without further retouching. It's gonna be more blurry when someone loops SD derivative with GPT-4V derivative, to have the latter rate the output of the former, and the loop running until the rating model deems the picture good enough.
    - huimang 3y ago
      Someone writing words in a prompt and a photographer setting up a photoshoot are completely different! Different enough that we can easily draw a line between these activities. In the above case, the photographer had a particular vision in mind and fulfilled it with their camera, choosing the scenery, lighting, model, colors, framing, and overall composition. They set up all of those factors, and then chose the best take from the portraits to use for further work. It was deliberate and done with specific intent. There is no way one can argue this is the same as entering words into a prompt with a straight face.
jamilton 3y ago
For fun.
- huimang 3y ago
  You can also do the same thing with human art. There are most certainly local galleries near you, and you can interact with an actual human and the meaning they put into that art. Not to mention the amount of art made by humans that exists online.

My feedback: this is artificially generated art, and is meaningless. Why would I spend any amount of time or effort on this when there is art made with intent by humans?

mensetmanusman 3y ago

In the near future you may have little to no idea whether art was made by ai or not unless you see it happen in person. Maybe contemplating this future is necessary?

huimang 3y ago
Contemplating authenticity (and ways that we can reasonably prove it) is a different discussion than wholesale generating ai "art" that has zero intent or meaning.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Does the massive amounts of corporate 'art' have any intent and meaning? Does art require intent and meaning?
  - huimang 3y ago
    That's mass-produced furniture. And yes, the original intent/artist meaning of an art piece are extremely important when looking on as a viewer, even if the viewer ends up giving it a different meaning.
- zonkerdonker 3y ago
  Sunsets don't have intent or meaning. A whole lot of people still like to look at them, or even assign their own meaning to the them, or other random machinations of the universe.
  - huimang 3y ago
    There is meaning in that the artist chose a sunset as the subject of the piece, and they decide the composition and colouring, etc. It's all done with intent. And in pieces with more than 1 element, the various objects -do- have symbolism or were chosen with some theme in mind. We're talking about art, not phone wallpaper screens.

Auracle 3y ago

I personally spent many hours on one image starting with 3D printing armor, photographing it on my wife, and using that image as a base for ControlNet + Stable Diffusion to replace the armor, and then compositing it back in. Some people just type in “pretty woman wearing armor.” Where’s the line?

huimang 3y ago
An Artist* utilizing different mediums & tools to achieve an intended vision is different than someone typing a few words on a whim and re-generating until the magic box outputs something roughly close to what they want. Using ML as part of an overall workflow is much more gray. The line is where we draw it, and we have to draw it somewhere. It's clear to anyone that typing prompts into a black box (that likely was trained on stolen art) and expending zero effort other than selecting from the randomly generated images is different than the process you described. * simply writing prompts doesn't make anyone an artist
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > and re-generating until the magic box outputs something roughly close to what they want That is a form of a creative human effort. Not that different from a photographer who shoots a couple dozen photos on the go, and later selects one or few they like best, to publish without further retouching. It's gonna be more blurry when someone loops SD derivative with GPT-4V derivative, to have the latter rate the output of the former, and the loop running until the rating model deems the picture good enough.
  - huimang 3y ago
    Someone writing words in a prompt and a photographer setting up a photoshoot are completely different! Different enough that we can easily draw a line between these activities. In the above case, the photographer had a particular vision in mind and fulfilled it with their camera, choosing the scenery, lighting, model, colors, framing, and overall composition. They set up all of those factors, and then chose the best take from the portraits to use for further work. It was deliberate and done with specific intent. There is no way one can argue this is the same as entering words into a prompt with a straight face.

jamilton 3y ago

For fun.

huimang 3y ago
You can also do the same thing with human art. There are most certainly local galleries near you, and you can interact with an actual human and the meaning they put into that art. Not to mention the amount of art made by humans that exists online.