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Source? Because thisnis the first time I ever heard of that interpretation of ITAR in my whole life... Edit: That approach could get you sued for discriminatio

by hef19898 3y ago

Source? Because thisnis the first time I ever heard of that interpretation of ITAR in my whole life... Edit: That approach could get you sued for discrimination so.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
The why is hearsay and speculative. But all jobs at SpaceX are ITAR (https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs/ https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs/), and the DOJ apparently has no problem with that part of it.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Just checked one job, all it says is, that the applicant must be able to obtain ITAR accreditation from the Department of State. Nothing really extraordinary in aerospace, especially for an US company. Weird so, that SoaceX is emphasizong the ITAR aspect so much, but then I have no experience how that is handled in the US, maybe that normal. That being said, ITAR is not a job classification, ITAR covers the move of anything defense or dual use related (data, information, hardware...) outside the US with some weird things about nationalities of people handling those things. It has nothing to do with classified or secret information, that is something different in addition to ITAR. The thing that puzzles me about roles like janitors: ITAR is "need to know, right to know", meaning if you don't have both, you don't need access to ITAR protected data. And since the normal janitor, or payroll admin, has neither nobody bothers those roles with ITAR normally...
  - mlyle 3y ago
    SpaceX jobs used to say US Citizens only.
  - inemesitaffia 3y ago
    You might not be doing the work but you'll have access. You might overhear things. etc
- mlyle 3y ago
  As you point out, ITAR refers to "US Persons", and "US Persons" explicitly allows permanent residents, lawfully admitted temporary residents, and refugees. "or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)" ... (3)“Protected individual” defined As used in paragraph (1), the term “protected individual” means an individual who— (A)is a citizen or national of the United States, or (B)is an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence, is granted the status of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence under section 1160(a) or 1255a(a)(1) of this title, is admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title, or is granted asylum under section 1158 of this title; ...

Source? Because thisnis the first time I ever heard of that interpretation of ITAR in my whole life... Edit: That approach could get you sued for discrimination so.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

The why is hearsay and speculative. But all jobs at SpaceX are ITAR (https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs/ https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs/), and the DOJ apparently has no problem with that part of it.

hef19898 3y ago
Just checked one job, all it says is, that the applicant must be able to obtain ITAR accreditation from the Department of State. Nothing really extraordinary in aerospace, especially for an US company. Weird so, that SoaceX is emphasizong the ITAR aspect so much, but then I have no experience how that is handled in the US, maybe that normal. That being said, ITAR is not a job classification, ITAR covers the move of anything defense or dual use related (data, information, hardware...) outside the US with some weird things about nationalities of people handling those things. It has nothing to do with classified or secret information, that is something different in addition to ITAR. The thing that puzzles me about roles like janitors: ITAR is "need to know, right to know", meaning if you don't have both, you don't need access to ITAR protected data. And since the normal janitor, or payroll admin, has neither nobody bothers those roles with ITAR normally...
- mlyle 3y ago
  SpaceX jobs used to say US Citizens only.
- inemesitaffia 3y ago
  You might not be doing the work but you'll have access. You might overhear things. etc
mlyle 3y ago
As you point out, ITAR refers to "US Persons", and "US Persons" explicitly allows permanent residents, lawfully admitted temporary residents, and refugees. "or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)" ... (3)“Protected individual” defined As used in paragraph (1), the term “protected individual” means an individual who— (A)is a citizen or national of the United States, or (B)is an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence, is granted the status of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence under section 1160(a) or 1255a(a)(1) of this title, is admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title, or is granted asylum under section 1158 of this title; ...