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But every role requires being a US person due to ITAR regulations.
by colordrops 3y ago
But every role requires being a US person due to ITAR regulations.
- hef19898 3y agoThat's not what ITAR says so.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAll roles at SpaceX are ITAR restricted, including janitors etc. SpaceX could set up physical separation to allow them to hire non-ITAR employees, but they are not required to. ITAR restricted roles are restricted to "US persons". SpaceX confused that terminology with "US citizens", but "US persons" is a broader term than "US citizens".
- hef19898 3y agoWhy the hell does a janitor need ITAR accreditation (the right term, as one can have ITAR access without any kind of security clearance whatsoever)? And I can assure you, outside the US, even Chinese nationals can have access to ITAR equipment and data. I am no US person neither, and I had in the past. As does every single user of US military gear in nations the US exports to...
- bryanlarsen 3y agoBecause SpaceX doesn't want their engineers to have to worry about when & where they can talk about work while they're at work.
- hef19898 3y agoSource? Because thisnis the first time I ever heard of that interpretation of ITAR in my whole life... Edit: That approach could get you sued for discrimination so.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThe why is hearsay and speculative. But all jobs at SpaceX are ITAR (https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs/ https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs/), and the DOJ apparently has no problem with that part of it.
- hef19898 3y agoJust checked one job, all it says is, that the applicant must be able to obtain ITAR accreditation from the Department of State. Nothing really extraordinary in aerospace, especially for an US company. Weird so, that SoaceX is emphasizong the ITAR aspect so much, but then I have no experience how that is handled in the US, maybe that normal. That being said, ITAR is not a job classification, ITAR covers the move of anything defense or dual use related (data, information, hardware...) outside the US with some weird things about nationalities of people handling those things. It has nothing to do with classified or secret information, that is something different in addition to ITAR. The thing that puzzles me about roles like janitors: ITAR is "need to know, right to know", meaning if you don't have both, you don't need access to ITAR protected data. And since the normal janitor, or payroll admin, has neither nobody bothers those roles with ITAR normally...
- mlyle 3y agoSpaceX jobs used to say US Citizens only.
- inemesitaffia 3y agoYou might not be doing the work but you'll have access. You might overhear things. etc
- mlyle 3y agoAs you point out, ITAR refers to "US Persons", and "US Persons" explicitly allows permanent residents, lawfully admitted temporary residents, and refugees. "or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)" ... (3)“Protected individual” defined As used in paragraph (1), the term “protected individual” means an individual who— (A)is a citizen or national of the United States, or (B)is an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence, is granted the status of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence under section 1160(a) or 1255a(a)(1) of this title, is admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title, or is granted asylum under section 1158 of this title; ...
- belltaco 3y agoWhat about janitors at say, the Pentagon, the White House, and near the various SCIFs in the govt and mil.
- hef19898 3y agoThat's classified information, requiring security clearance. ITAR does not require security clearance. As the name says International Traffic of Arms Regulation.