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I plan live events these days and the off duty cop shakedown is so real. Good luck getting really any permit. “Oh you’re hiring private security? We don’t think
by mattmaroon 3y ago
I plan live events these days and the off duty cop shakedown is so real. Good luck getting really any permit. “Oh you’re hiring private security? We don’t think your security plan is sufficient to keep everyone safe.”
- ensignavenger 3y agoI would record that conversation and send it to the FBI, and if that didn't get any traction, the Press.
- diogenes4 3y agoNeither party is obligated to the interests of the people living in this country. I'm not saying this is necessarily bad advice but there are some problems that require actual citizens to do something aside from vote.
- mattmaroon 3y agoYeah, I mean, nobody knows how to skirt the law better than cops, and they of course never exactly phrase it in such a way as to be extortion. It’s bullshit, and I’ve talk to people from all over the country and I think it’s pretty pervasive. But my business relies on permits that they sign, and it just feels like I could probably spend a lot of time and money and ruin myself fighting it, over what is really a relatively small tax. I suppose that’s how they continue to get away with it. We’re all hoping someone else falls on their sword.
- ensignavenger 3y agoThere are certainly some locales that have a larger reputation for this sort of things than others.
- throw__away7391 3y agoI think this kind of defeated attitude enables this behavior. You should expect good behavior by default from public officials, normalizing the idea that this kind of corruption is deviant (even if it is more common than that) and expect punishment. Even as a bystander you can help influence opinion, expectations, and standards. This is a good tactic in many other situations as well.
- dathinab 3y ago> exactly phrase it in such a way as to be extortion extortion is unrelated of the exact words used but the intend that clever phrasing can make you avoid extortion charges or similar is a common misbelive if a cop gets away with a clear extortionist behavior it's because the prosecutor lets them and uses formulation as a shallow excuse not because clever formulations protect you from the law
- TrueSlacker0 3y agoI guess I live in a different world. I have run multiple large beer events. (4 or 5,000ppl at the last one) These get approved by our city and state. All I have ever been asked is if we have a security plan, not any details, just that one exists. And it's sort of in passing, usually after the we need a copy of your insurance requirement. There were not any requirements to hire an officer. I still choose to hire 3 off duty officers but that is my choice as the event host. I also call them individually as I have met many of them over time and they are worth every penny. They aren't even expensive compared to other services required.
- smolder 3y agoYou choose to hire off-duty police and don't have the same experience as the person who didn't choose to hire off-duty police... I'm positive that corruption like GP described is able to coexist with scenarios like yours where everything's above board, but given you are hiring the off-duty police voluntarily, you haven't established that there wouldn't be repercussions for not doing so.
- TrueSlacker0 3y agoThere is absolutely zero repercussions, I hire them after all licensing approval. After the point of any city or state interference. I have run some of the smaller 400-600ppl events with zero police.
- smolder 3y agoThanks for clarifying.