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Can refugees get security clearance? Does Northrop Grumman hire refugees and asylees? Does Lockheed Martin?

hef19898 3y ago
Securoty clearance, after getting a visa and work permit? Sure, why not? And not all jobs at those companies require clearance, far from it actually.
- mlyle 3y ago
  > Securoty clearance, after getting a visa and work permit? Sure, why not? Clearance requires US citizenship. > And not all jobs at those companies require clearance, far from it actually. This is the more important point.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    See, clearance in Europe doesn't require citizenship. It does make it a lot easier so.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Clearance requires US citizenship "...if a non-U.S. citizen requires access to U.S. classified information and meets the requirements of the 32 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 117.10(k), a Limited Access Authorization (LAA) no higher than the Secret level may be issued." https://www.dcsa.mil/Industrial-Security/International-Programs/Security-Assurances-for-Personnel-Facilities/ https://www.dcsa.mil/Industrial-Security/International-Progr...
    - mlyle 3y ago
      > ... but the LAA is not a national security eligibility. Access to classified will be limited to a specific program or project and will be cancelled upon the completion of the program or project for which it was approved... I mean, I originally thought about lengthening my answer to point out that there are limited ways to allow people of extraordinary necessity to work on classified projects, but I figured it wasn't necessary.
  - lesuorac 3y ago
    > Clearance requires US citizenship. How do you think information is shared amongst NATO? Do they get American citizenship for a day? Not every Clearance do not require US citizenship.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Not that I want US citizenship, but if that was the case...
    - mlyle 3y ago
      > How do you think information is shared amongst NATO? Do they get American citizenship for a day? For NATO, you carry in security clearance from a member nation.
mlyle 3y ago
Not every role at SpaceX requires clearance.
- colordrops 3y ago
  But every role requires being a US person due to ITAR regulations.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    That's not what ITAR says so.
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      All roles at SpaceX are ITAR restricted, including janitors etc. SpaceX could set up physical separation to allow them to hire non-ITAR employees, but they are not required to. ITAR restricted roles are restricted to "US persons". SpaceX confused that terminology with "US citizens", but "US persons" is a broader term than "US citizens".
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Why the hell does a janitor need ITAR accreditation (the right term, as one can have ITAR access without any kind of security clearance whatsoever)? And I can assure you, outside the US, even Chinese nationals can have access to ITAR equipment and data. I am no US person neither, and I had in the past. As does every single user of US military gear in nations the US exports to...
        bryanlarsen 3y ago
        Because SpaceX doesn't want their engineers to have to worry about when & where they can talk about work while they're at work.
        hef19898 3y ago
threeseed 3y ago
a) DOJ states that asylees/refugees are no different to US citizens with respect to export control laws. b) US government issues security clearances not SpaceX so it is their call whether a candidate is suitable or not. And given that they are filing a lawsuit we can assume this is not an issue. c) The issues raised by the DOJ do not relate specifically to security clearances.
nativeit 3y ago
What sort of security clearance is necessary to work at below average wages on a non-union assembly line? Or moderating what little hate speech still warrants attention on Ex-Twitter? Or digging tunnels under Las Vegas? Or installing solar batteries? Or servicing Teslas or charging stations? Or cleaning debris under mandate in the Boca Chica nature preserves bordering SpaceX’s “definitely not a launch pad” launch pad? Or working directly on Falcon rockets for that matter, since they aren’t exactly secret or weaponized?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > security clearance is necessary to work at below average wages on a non-union assembly line SpaceX employees are very well compensated. > working directly on Falcon rockets for that matter, since they aren’t exactly secret or weaponized There is a long list of adversaries trying to develop technologies that approach SpaceX's. (Every missile program, for starters.)
HWR_14 3y ago
You can require security clearance if the job requires it. You cannot forbid refugees and asylees from all jobs preemptively. SpaceX has nothing to do with giving clearances. They just check if they are active (they can pay the government to investigate if someone should be given one) And many workers will not require security clearance.

hef19898 3y ago

Securoty clearance, after getting a visa and work permit? Sure, why not? And not all jobs at those companies require clearance, far from it actually.

mlyle 3y ago
> Securoty clearance, after getting a visa and work permit? Sure, why not? Clearance requires US citizenship. > And not all jobs at those companies require clearance, far from it actually. This is the more important point.
- hef19898 3y ago
  See, clearance in Europe doesn't require citizenship. It does make it a lot easier so.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Clearance requires US citizenship "...if a non-U.S. citizen requires access to U.S. classified information and meets the requirements of the 32 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 117.10(k), a Limited Access Authorization (LAA) no higher than the Secret level may be issued." https://www.dcsa.mil/Industrial-Security/International-Programs/Security-Assurances-for-Personnel-Facilities/ https://www.dcsa.mil/Industrial-Security/International-Progr...
  - mlyle 3y ago
    > ... but the LAA is not a national security eligibility. Access to classified will be limited to a specific program or project and will be cancelled upon the completion of the program or project for which it was approved... I mean, I originally thought about lengthening my answer to point out that there are limited ways to allow people of extraordinary necessity to work on classified projects, but I figured it wasn't necessary.
- lesuorac 3y ago
  > Clearance requires US citizenship. How do you think information is shared amongst NATO? Do they get American citizenship for a day? Not every Clearance do not require US citizenship.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Not that I want US citizenship, but if that was the case...
  - mlyle 3y ago
    > How do you think information is shared amongst NATO? Do they get American citizenship for a day? For NATO, you carry in security clearance from a member nation.

mlyle 3y ago

Not every role at SpaceX requires clearance.

colordrops 3y ago
But every role requires being a US person due to ITAR regulations.
- hef19898 3y ago
  That's not what ITAR says so.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    All roles at SpaceX are ITAR restricted, including janitors etc. SpaceX could set up physical separation to allow them to hire non-ITAR employees, but they are not required to. ITAR restricted roles are restricted to "US persons". SpaceX confused that terminology with "US citizens", but "US persons" is a broader term than "US citizens".
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Why the hell does a janitor need ITAR accreditation (the right term, as one can have ITAR access without any kind of security clearance whatsoever)? And I can assure you, outside the US, even Chinese nationals can have access to ITAR equipment and data. I am no US person neither, and I had in the past. As does every single user of US military gear in nations the US exports to...
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        Because SpaceX doesn't want their engineers to have to worry about when & where they can talk about work while they're at work.
        hef19898 3y ago

threeseed 3y ago

a) DOJ states that asylees/refugees are no different to US citizens with respect to export control laws. b) US government issues security clearances not SpaceX so it is their call whether a candidate is suitable or not. And given that they are filing a lawsuit we can assume this is not an issue. c) The issues raised by the DOJ do not relate specifically to security clearances.

nativeit 3y ago

What sort of security clearance is necessary to work at below average wages on a non-union assembly line? Or moderating what little hate speech still warrants attention on Ex-Twitter? Or digging tunnels under Las Vegas? Or installing solar batteries? Or servicing Teslas or charging stations? Or cleaning debris under mandate in the Boca Chica nature preserves bordering SpaceX’s “definitely not a launch pad” launch pad? Or working directly on Falcon rockets for that matter, since they aren’t exactly secret or weaponized?

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> security clearance is necessary to work at below average wages on a non-union assembly line SpaceX employees are very well compensated. > working directly on Falcon rockets for that matter, since they aren’t exactly secret or weaponized There is a long list of adversaries trying to develop technologies that approach SpaceX's. (Every missile program, for starters.)

HWR_14 3y ago

You can require security clearance if the job requires it. You cannot forbid refugees and asylees from all jobs preemptively. SpaceX has nothing to do with giving clearances. They just check if they are active (they can pay the government to investigate if someone should be given one) And many workers will not require security clearance.