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I ran an American office in brasil. The best developer community! But drug down by bureaucracy. The reality is that running a company in brasil is about 1000x h

I ran an American office in brasil. The best developer community! But drug down by bureaucracy. The reality is that running a company in brasil is about 1000x harder than the US. Much stronger rights for the enployees. We had employees essentially start protesting against “imperialism” (ie against the american company employing them) and stopped working and would disrupt meetings with passionate speeches anbout gender annd worker rights. This was the result of learning their American engineer counterparts made 3x more than them when they converted their salaries from reals. we couldn’t fire them. In fact we had to pay them 1 year of salary when we let them go after months of discussions with brasil lawyers. So good to hire from. Terrible to have an office there.

matheusmoreira 3y ago
> This was the result of learning their American engineer counterparts made 3x more than them when they converted their salaries from reals. I once felt bad about that as well. Then I learned all I could about the cost of living in the US and didn't feel so bad anymore. It's possible to live extremely comfortably here if you get paid in USD. With enough money, it even becomes possible to just ignore the numerous problems plaguing this country. No idea why they'd give up that opportunity over worker rights. Were it not for the labor arbitrage opportunity, the american company probably wouldn't have been offering those jobs in the first place. Brazilian companies aren't offering more.
pb7 3y ago
>So good to hire from. Nothing you said supports this statement. This comment pretty much explains why most roles are not at risk of being outsourced: it’s a pain in the ass to deal with.
- iterateoften 3y ago
  Sorry, shouldn’t have said hire from but rather “contract” from. Right now I run an engineering team from brasil but it’s on a contractor basis through a brasil company. Fantastic results. Incredible developer community. Deep desire to build proper code. Almost all Python developers in Brasil go to yearly pilgrimages to Python Brasil or Python Nordeste or other developer conferences. Much higher participation in the “community” aspect of programming than anything I saw in the US or other countries.
xrd 3y ago
My Brazilian brother (we unofficially adopted him after he lived with us in the US as an exchange student) worked for an American tech company in Brazil. He was trained as a lawyer in Brazil. And, yes, this is exactly what happens in Brazil. It feels like extortion to me and I generally feel like I side with labor when there is a dispute against (especially tech) companies. I would never want to want to run a tech company in Brazil and I love Brazil and have lived there.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> This was the result of learning their American engineer counterparts made 3x more than them when they converted their salaries from reals. I once felt bad about that as well. Then I learned all I could about the cost of living in the US and didn't feel so bad anymore. It's possible to live extremely comfortably here if you get paid in USD. With enough money, it even becomes possible to just ignore the numerous problems plaguing this country. No idea why they'd give up that opportunity over worker rights. Were it not for the labor arbitrage opportunity, the american company probably wouldn't have been offering those jobs in the first place. Brazilian companies aren't offering more.

pb7 3y ago

>So good to hire from. Nothing you said supports this statement. This comment pretty much explains why most roles are not at risk of being outsourced: it’s a pain in the ass to deal with.

iterateoften 3y ago
Sorry, shouldn’t have said hire from but rather “contract” from. Right now I run an engineering team from brasil but it’s on a contractor basis through a brasil company. Fantastic results. Incredible developer community. Deep desire to build proper code. Almost all Python developers in Brasil go to yearly pilgrimages to Python Brasil or Python Nordeste or other developer conferences. Much higher participation in the “community” aspect of programming than anything I saw in the US or other countries.

xrd 3y ago

My Brazilian brother (we unofficially adopted him after he lived with us in the US as an exchange student) worked for an American tech company in Brazil. He was trained as a lawyer in Brazil. And, yes, this is exactly what happens in Brazil. It feels like extortion to me and I generally feel like I side with labor when there is a dispute against (especially tech) companies. I would never want to want to run a tech company in Brazil and I love Brazil and have lived there.