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Oh, this is where the on-topic discussion is. I had to wade through a pretty meaty Google flamewar to get here... I have a question about this Facebook fiasco:

Oh, this is where the on-topic discussion is. I had to wade through a pretty meaty Google flamewar to get here... I have a question about this Facebook fiasco: what exactly does HR hope to discover and how would they plan to use such intelligence? The reason I ask is that here in South Africa, when applying to a position (from my experience as a business intelligence consultant) I must release HR to check both my credit history as well as submit to having my fingerprints taken by an electronic device which connects to a governmental database and checks my criminal record for any misconduct. Are these checks common place in your part of the world? Can you see anything that HR in South Africa might gain by snooping through Facebook that wouldn't be outweighed by the information already available to them?

nbm 14y ago
Wow, I've never heard of anyone in South Africa with a non-government job being asked to have their fingerprints taken. Admittedly, my background is mostly tech startups, but even friends who worked at big-ish companies (Didata, CS Holdings, &c.) have never mentioned it. Credit history is a mostly used as a poor indication that you won't be tempted to sell company or user private information. It might also be an indicator of poor judgement or other bad traits, I guess. I think only one company ever asked this of me, and they were certainly the most backward of those I interviewed at. Basically, companies are trying to avoid hiring bad people. Whether it's because they've bought into the "it is impossible to fire anyone" story or not, it is costly in terms of time and wasted effort and disruption. And, generalising from an admittedly small sample size, I'd say they're not as good or as introspective about how they hire as the few (admittedly really good) US companies I'm familiar with.
- instakill 14y ago
  As another South African, I've actually heard of cases where people have taken companies to task for being passed over based on certain characteristics (like sexual orientation etc.) The acronym CCMA is thrown around a lot depending on whose conversations you listen to.
- lancewiggs 14y ago
  I, like anyone else wanting a work visa at the time, had to provide a clear HIV certificate to South African immigration. Once I had the permit I spent 10 months in KwaZulu-Natal - an area with 40% HIV incidence, and at an employer with (anonymously tested) 20-25% incidence.
  - zaidmo 14y ago
    I'm in SA also. I thought that we are not legally obliged to disclose our HIV status to employers
- MDCore 14y ago
  I'm based in SA too. I looked for and found a job recently, as a web developer, and had to consent to a credit check, fingerprints and criminal record check at the employment agency. I declined the criminal record check (whether they listened or not is another story). Many of the positions had employers asking for those things. Very odd. I don't know when this started since the last time I went looking for work before this was about 2003.
- mark_integerdsv 14y ago
  Howzit! My assumption has been that they'd attempt to infer by marrying the two pieces of info whether it bit you'd pose a risk. So say you have a fraud charge laid against you some years back and you're currently in heaps of bad debt... It might be a bad idea to let you at my financials database, for instance. I do think though that some of the more stringent assessment procedures also serve a secondary purpose when it comes to offer time. If you've run the gauntlet to get this offer the person offering you the position has considerable leverage in terms of negotiating a remuneration package. May it's not the main reason they do that stuff but it is a side effect of it.

nbm 14y ago

Wow, I've never heard of anyone in South Africa with a non-government job being asked to have their fingerprints taken. Admittedly, my background is mostly tech startups, but even friends who worked at big-ish companies (Didata, CS Holdings, &c.) have never mentioned it. Credit history is a mostly used as a poor indication that you won't be tempted to sell company or user private information. It might also be an indicator of poor judgement or other bad traits, I guess. I think only one company ever asked this of me, and they were certainly the most backward of those I interviewed at. Basically, companies are trying to avoid hiring bad people. Whether it's because they've bought into the "it is impossible to fire anyone" story or not, it is costly in terms of time and wasted effort and disruption. And, generalising from an admittedly small sample size, I'd say they're not as good or as introspective about how they hire as the few (admittedly really good) US companies I'm familiar with.

instakill 14y ago
As another South African, I've actually heard of cases where people have taken companies to task for being passed over based on certain characteristics (like sexual orientation etc.) The acronym CCMA is thrown around a lot depending on whose conversations you listen to.
lancewiggs 14y ago
I, like anyone else wanting a work visa at the time, had to provide a clear HIV certificate to South African immigration. Once I had the permit I spent 10 months in KwaZulu-Natal - an area with 40% HIV incidence, and at an employer with (anonymously tested) 20-25% incidence.
- zaidmo 14y ago
  I'm in SA also. I thought that we are not legally obliged to disclose our HIV status to employers
MDCore 14y ago
I'm based in SA too. I looked for and found a job recently, as a web developer, and had to consent to a credit check, fingerprints and criminal record check at the employment agency. I declined the criminal record check (whether they listened or not is another story). Many of the positions had employers asking for those things. Very odd. I don't know when this started since the last time I went looking for work before this was about 2003.
mark_integerdsv 14y ago
Howzit! My assumption has been that they'd attempt to infer by marrying the two pieces of info whether it bit you'd pose a risk. So say you have a fraud charge laid against you some years back and you're currently in heaps of bad debt... It might be a bad idea to let you at my financials database, for instance. I do think though that some of the more stringent assessment procedures also serve a secondary purpose when it comes to offer time. If you've run the gauntlet to get this offer the person offering you the position has considerable leverage in terms of negotiating a remuneration package. May it's not the main reason they do that stuff but it is a side effect of it.