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You have an extremely generous and optimistic view of the cognitive capital of the average person.

madmads 3y ago
That's probably the most self-aggrandizing interpretation. Could it be that other people have other priorities or interests rather than spending their time figuring out how to obtain digital privacy without compromising in the areas they care about? No surely it's their low "cognitive capital" /s
- anonym29 3y ago
  You are very fortunate to never had the displeasure of having to interact with profoundly stupid people. Not ignorant, not uneducated, but genuinely stupid and slow people. E.g., People for whom significant, immediate, unexpected mechanical feedback in operating something simple, like window blinds, wouldn't cause them to consider whether they might be doing something wrong, and instead continue operariting the blinds in the wrong direction until they snap and break, genuinely being unaware that they were doing it wrong. People who are genuinely lacking the common sense you'd expect a human to have, not even with any cognitive disability or learning disorder of any kind - just genuinely stupid but otherwise ordinary people.
  - madmads 3y ago
    What are you talking about? How does this relate to anything in the discussion? Besides, you were denigrating the intelligence of the average person, as though that's the reason they don't acquire all the skills necessary to have digital privacy. Ironically, that's a stupid assumption to have. You might be in your own bubble, but I know many very intelligent people who do not have the time or interest in gaining digital privacy. It's not as easy or without compromise as you seem to think.
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beeboobaa 3y ago
I'm so sick and tired of techies infantilizing the rest of the population. It started with making apps "accessible" but the result is that they've dumbed down an entire generation by limiting them to their locked down mobile phones. Now everything supposedly should be accessible to everyone without them having to invest a second of thought, so much so that this now has somehow become the norm. People who care will figure it out, and those who don't will be left behind. But no, thats not acceptable because you have to gouge everyone to make as much money as possible nowadays.
- mplewis 3y ago
  The mobile phone is the only secure computer a non-techie owns.
  - anonym29 3y ago
    At the low, low cost of the entirety of their privacy in their digital life.
- Zak 3y ago
  Quite a few people could do what the article asks if sufficiently motivated. How do you propose to motivate them? I often have trouble convincing people to install Signal, which requires about two minutes for people who barely know how to use their smartphones and under one for people who know where the app store is. If a majority people don't have the motivation to do that much, we have a very uphill battle.
- NoPicklez 3y ago
  Most of the population are not tech involved people, they like and use the entertaining/communication related features of the device. Making things extremely easy is what tech is all about. People who care will figure it out, and those who don't will be left behind. Is that not the case for most of history? Atleast apps as you say are accessible to everyone without them having to invest a second thought. Why should the average joe have to consider a second thought? If my Dad wants to watch his favourite TV show, he should be able to do that in the most accessible way possible. Perhaps Microsoft shouldn't have built a GUI and should've kept the CMD line around so that we would've all had to learn to "do it the hard way" and wouldn't have been infantilizing us with buttons, graphics, file explorers, hyperlinks and applications.

That's probably the most self-aggrandizing interpretation. Could it be that other people have other priorities or interests rather than spending their time figuring out how to obtain digital privacy without compromising in the areas they care about? No surely it's their low "cognitive capital" /s

anonym29 3y ago
You are very fortunate to never had the displeasure of having to interact with profoundly stupid people. Not ignorant, not uneducated, but genuinely stupid and slow people. E.g., People for whom significant, immediate, unexpected mechanical feedback in operating something simple, like window blinds, wouldn't cause them to consider whether they might be doing something wrong, and instead continue operariting the blinds in the wrong direction until they snap and break, genuinely being unaware that they were doing it wrong. People who are genuinely lacking the common sense you'd expect a human to have, not even with any cognitive disability or learning disorder of any kind - just genuinely stupid but otherwise ordinary people.
- madmads 3y ago
  What are you talking about? How does this relate to anything in the discussion? Besides, you were denigrating the intelligence of the average person, as though that's the reason they don't acquire all the skills necessary to have digital privacy. Ironically, that's a stupid assumption to have. You might be in your own bubble, but I know many very intelligent people who do not have the time or interest in gaining digital privacy. It's not as easy or without compromise as you seem to think.
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beeboobaa 3y ago

I'm so sick and tired of techies infantilizing the rest of the population. It started with making apps "accessible" but the result is that they've dumbed down an entire generation by limiting them to their locked down mobile phones. Now everything supposedly should be accessible to everyone without them having to invest a second of thought, so much so that this now has somehow become the norm. People who care will figure it out, and those who don't will be left behind. But no, thats not acceptable because you have to gouge everyone to make as much money as possible nowadays.

mplewis 3y ago
The mobile phone is the only secure computer a non-techie owns.
- anonym29 3y ago
  At the low, low cost of the entirety of their privacy in their digital life.
Zak 3y ago
Quite a few people could do what the article asks if sufficiently motivated. How do you propose to motivate them? I often have trouble convincing people to install Signal, which requires about two minutes for people who barely know how to use their smartphones and under one for people who know where the app store is. If a majority people don't have the motivation to do that much, we have a very uphill battle.
NoPicklez 3y ago
Most of the population are not tech involved people, they like and use the entertaining/communication related features of the device. Making things extremely easy is what tech is all about. People who care will figure it out, and those who don't will be left behind. Is that not the case for most of history? Atleast apps as you say are accessible to everyone without them having to invest a second thought. Why should the average joe have to consider a second thought? If my Dad wants to watch his favourite TV show, he should be able to do that in the most accessible way possible. Perhaps Microsoft shouldn't have built a GUI and should've kept the CMD line around so that we would've all had to learn to "do it the hard way" and wouldn't have been infantilizing us with buttons, graphics, file explorers, hyperlinks and applications.