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I've noticed this big time post pandemic. I'm seeing EMs with < 4-5 years of experience who are managing engineers with 10-15+ years of experience. These are qu

I've noticed this big time post pandemic. I'm seeing EMs with < 4-5 years of experience who are managing engineers with 10-15+ years of experience. These are quite frankly, kids, and it really shows. They could really use more time behind a keyboard.

bee_rider 3y ago
This is the result of telling everybody that they will be screwed and unemployable if they get a humanities degree: a bunch of people who aren’t technical at all have struggled through STEM degrees out of fear. Oops, there goes that signal. They don’t need more time behind the keyboard, we as a society need to figure out how to provide middle class lifestyles to people who aren’t good behind the keyboard. I mean we’re talking about careers that will start building generational wealth, it is not surprising that people will do whatever they need to get in.
- Eumenes 3y ago
  Idk if this trend of ICs being rapidly promoted into management has to do with humanity degrees or generational wealth. If anything, I find these individuals to be well off and from respectable schools. It reminds me more of the hustle and career driven attitude of the finance and MBA world, where the prestige is centered in having high # of direct reports, or lofty titles.
- jmopp 3y ago
  People underestimate the value of a humanities degree. The point of studying literature or art history is not to study literature or art history, it's to study how people operate from an emotional point of view, and see how the way people acted on their feelings in the past influenced the present. That's a pretty good background to have if you're going to be a people manager. Despite what we like to believe, we are not rational creatures.
  - Eumenes 3y ago
    Yeah having art history majors manage engineering projects is how you get Boeing 737 MAX disasters. Perhaps okay if you're developing a mobile app or dating website but mission critical and real world scenarios, we should be striving for excellence.

bee_rider 3y ago

This is the result of telling everybody that they will be screwed and unemployable if they get a humanities degree: a bunch of people who aren’t technical at all have struggled through STEM degrees out of fear. Oops, there goes that signal. They don’t need more time behind the keyboard, we as a society need to figure out how to provide middle class lifestyles to people who aren’t good behind the keyboard. I mean we’re talking about careers that will start building generational wealth, it is not surprising that people will do whatever they need to get in.

Eumenes 3y ago
Idk if this trend of ICs being rapidly promoted into management has to do with humanity degrees or generational wealth. If anything, I find these individuals to be well off and from respectable schools. It reminds me more of the hustle and career driven attitude of the finance and MBA world, where the prestige is centered in having high # of direct reports, or lofty titles.
jmopp 3y ago
People underestimate the value of a humanities degree. The point of studying literature or art history is not to study literature or art history, it's to study how people operate from an emotional point of view, and see how the way people acted on their feelings in the past influenced the present. That's a pretty good background to have if you're going to be a people manager. Despite what we like to believe, we are not rational creatures.
- Eumenes 3y ago
  Yeah having art history majors manage engineering projects is how you get Boeing 737 MAX disasters. Perhaps okay if you're developing a mobile app or dating website but mission critical and real world scenarios, we should be striving for excellence.