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The raw numbers are different, I’m guessing (I haven’t looked). A tech worker in Norway also pays less for healthcare and housing, is healthier, spends less tim

The raw numbers are different, I’m guessing (I haven’t looked). A tech worker in Norway also pays less for healthcare and housing, is healthier, spends less time in traffic and lives in a society where everyone lives safer and more equally, and has more power to walk away from a shit job than someone in the US. It’s a system that values autonomy for the most people over the power of a tiny sector of the economy to rake in maximum dollars, and wage transparency is just a small feature of that system. But yeah if it doesn’t bring you personally more money I guess it’s not even worth thinking about

sofixa 3y ago
> A tech worker in Norway also pays less for healthcare and housing Also doesn't start their work life with tens of thousands of debt at exorbitant rates that can't be discarded, childcare costs less, they get paid time off for leisure and for being sick, don't have to keep a rainy day fund of 6 months in case they get in a crash, get scammed with an ambulance ride and hospital bills, and lose their job over it, etc. etc. There is so much more than just raw numbers for a salary it's kind of sad how many people use that as the only metric.
WrongAssumption 3y ago
you are the one that brought up negotiating power in the context of pay transparency. In fact it is the one thing only consequence you listed in the original post. It’s unfair of you to throw back in their face that they addressed the one and only factor you listed.
- velcrovan 3y ago
  It is undeniable that a tech worker in Norway negotiates for a wage with better information than the same worker in a country without income transparency. To claim that the effects of this transparency should be measured by a simple comparison of raw average salaries between the two countries is to use a metric that includes all of the confounding variables I mentioned and more. I am simply explaining why it is a poor metric, and explaining that the value of state-mandated transparency is in personal autonomy, not in “will it magically elevate my individual salary potential in one country above what it would be in all other countries”.
RestlessMind 3y ago
> A tech worker in Norway also pays less for healthcare and housing, A tech worker in SV has healthcare covered and makes so much more than a Norwegian that they can afford SV rents. > is healthier, Life expectancy in Norway: 83. Life expectancy of northern Europeans in the US: 83 for men, 85 for women [1]. Wrong to look at life expectancy at a state level since it is based on cultural/ethnic traits and not based on your passport. Same numbers for East Asia - men (85), women (88) which is similar to East Asian countries (eg. Japan @85). > lives in a society where everyone lives safer and more equally More equally - not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Depends on the details. Though looking at the number of talented individuals flocking to the US from the supposedly egalitarian countries, it seems US is doing something good. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5026916/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5026916/

sofixa 3y ago

> A tech worker in Norway also pays less for healthcare and housing Also doesn't start their work life with tens of thousands of debt at exorbitant rates that can't be discarded, childcare costs less, they get paid time off for leisure and for being sick, don't have to keep a rainy day fund of 6 months in case they get in a crash, get scammed with an ambulance ride and hospital bills, and lose their job over it, etc. etc. There is so much more than just raw numbers for a salary it's kind of sad how many people use that as the only metric.

WrongAssumption 3y ago

you are the one that brought up negotiating power in the context of pay transparency. In fact it is the one thing only consequence you listed in the original post. It’s unfair of you to throw back in their face that they addressed the one and only factor you listed.

velcrovan 3y ago
It is undeniable that a tech worker in Norway negotiates for a wage with better information than the same worker in a country without income transparency. To claim that the effects of this transparency should be measured by a simple comparison of raw average salaries between the two countries is to use a metric that includes all of the confounding variables I mentioned and more. I am simply explaining why it is a poor metric, and explaining that the value of state-mandated transparency is in personal autonomy, not in “will it magically elevate my individual salary potential in one country above what it would be in all other countries”.

RestlessMind 3y ago

> A tech worker in Norway also pays less for healthcare and housing, A tech worker in SV has healthcare covered and makes so much more than a Norwegian that they can afford SV rents. > is healthier, Life expectancy in Norway: 83. Life expectancy of northern Europeans in the US: 83 for men, 85 for women [1]. Wrong to look at life expectancy at a state level since it is based on cultural/ethnic traits and not based on your passport. Same numbers for East Asia - men (85), women (88) which is similar to East Asian countries (eg. Japan @85). > lives in a society where everyone lives safer and more equally More equally - not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Depends on the details. Though looking at the number of talented individuals flocking to the US from the supposedly egalitarian countries, it seems US is doing something good. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5026916/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5026916/