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This is rather incorrect. In Canada I knew plenty of people who still had "their guy". You're also incorrect about this being a gray market, there exists a stro

by icepat 3y ago

This is rather incorrect. In Canada I knew plenty of people who still had "their guy". You're also incorrect about this being a gray market, there exists a strong black market, and you can find articles about it to this day.

dubcanada 3y ago
You can't have a "black market" on a product that is legal. It's called a "gray market". But that doesn't matter what it's called. On my way to work I drive by several stores on native reservations that have giant $60oz signs on the highway. These are not legal stores, they are not allowed to sell like that, I live in a province that it's only allowed for sale in the provincial liquor store. Yet they exist and people walk in all the time. No police will touch it as it's nothing but a hassle. So what does that mean? If a store can exist and sell and pay taxes, but it's not technically legal, is that not a gray market? And that's fine I don't know a single person so it's my statement versus your statement. The rest of what I said is true.
- icepat 3y ago
  Your underlying logic is flawed. You can have a rifle, that's legal, but you can then sell a rifle outside the legal market to someone without a license. The rifle can be seized and sold on by the police. The product is not illegal. But still you call that a blackmarket firearm. You call the market you sell it on, the blackmarket. A black market is one where the transactions are occurring contra to established legal frameworks. Gray market occurs when there's legal ambiguity (ie: research chemicals like LSD mimics that are sold for "soap making" when selling for consumption would be a crime).
  - dubcanada 3y ago
    I was under the impression if a store exists, sells a product, that store is technically illegal, and it is never shut down (has existed for years) that does murk the waters quite a bit between gray and black market. That's why I believe it's much closer to gray than black. I adjusted the parent message to remove black market references. I agree with you.
    - icepat 3y ago
      I know HN generally discourages frivolous replies, but that was both a good and productive back and forth. Not something you get every day. Thanks!
  - LegitShady 3y ago
    It's not legal ambiguity. No taxes have been paid on it. It's black market.

by icepat 3y ago

dubcanada 3y ago

You can't have a "black market" on a product that is legal. It's called a "gray market". But that doesn't matter what it's called. On my way to work I drive by several stores on native reservations that have giant $60oz signs on the highway. These are not legal stores, they are not allowed to sell like that, I live in a province that it's only allowed for sale in the provincial liquor store. Yet they exist and people walk in all the time. No police will touch it as it's nothing but a hassle. So what does that mean? If a store can exist and sell and pay taxes, but it's not technically legal, is that not a gray market? And that's fine I don't know a single person so it's my statement versus your statement. The rest of what I said is true.

icepat 3y ago
Your underlying logic is flawed. You can have a rifle, that's legal, but you can then sell a rifle outside the legal market to someone without a license. The rifle can be seized and sold on by the police. The product is not illegal. But still you call that a blackmarket firearm. You call the market you sell it on, the blackmarket. A black market is one where the transactions are occurring contra to established legal frameworks. Gray market occurs when there's legal ambiguity (ie: research chemicals like LSD mimics that are sold for "soap making" when selling for consumption would be a crime).
- dubcanada 3y ago
  I was under the impression if a store exists, sells a product, that store is technically illegal, and it is never shut down (has existed for years) that does murk the waters quite a bit between gray and black market. That's why I believe it's much closer to gray than black. I adjusted the parent message to remove black market references. I agree with you.
  - icepat 3y ago
    I know HN generally discourages frivolous replies, but that was both a good and productive back and forth. Not something you get every day. Thanks!
- LegitShady 3y ago
  It's not legal ambiguity. No taxes have been paid on it. It's black market.