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How will tools like this persist after Google enforces WEI for people using youtube?

by CalRobert 3y ago

gray_-_wolf 3y ago
> How will tools like this persist They will not, that is the whole point of WEI.
dotancohen 3y ago
They won't. That's the point.
infinityio 3y ago
Likely by means of reverse-engineered APIs from smart TVs (or similar) with limited capability to provide integrity, although I'm sure there are steps Google can take to make that harder
rekoil 3y ago
Forgive my ignorance, but what is "WEI"?
- crtasm 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity
crtasm 3y ago
Considering how many viewers they have using televisions/set top boxes/streaming usb sticks that will never get an update, do you see that happening any time soon?
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  These won't be supported forever
  - ugjka 3y ago
    You'd be surprised, I had some old Symbian phone with some really ancient Youtube app and it still was working couple years ago. The phone's screen eventually died, so I can't check now
    - Klonoar 3y ago
      Wasn’t the Wii’s YT client infamously long lived?
      - _chu1 3y ago
        June 2017 is when it ended
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Youtube wants to be a ubiquitous presence in modern culture, therefore it is in their interest to continue to support all the old and busted computers/etc that are still in common use. This includes allowing people to watch videos without an account using the old busted up computer they have in the back room at work, keeping youtube accessible on publicly shared IPs like libraries, coffee shops, even VPNs. I believe they will be very reticent to cut off access to this long tail of users with outdated computers, with no account on shared IPs. As long as this is true, it will be possible to use youtube in contradiction to their TOS. They could lock things down quite tight overnight by requiring people to sign in and use up to date browsers/players, but doing so would threaten their ubiquity.
    - gs17 3y ago
      I would expect them to simply limit streaming quality without having an account to their standards. They tried locking 4K video behind a paywall before and people were upset, but locking it behind an account (plus WEI, but 99% of users won't know the difference) seems like it wouldn't cause outrage.
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How will tools like this persist after Google enforces WEI for people using youtube?

gray_-_wolf 3y ago

> How will tools like this persist They will not, that is the whole point of WEI.

dotancohen 3y ago

They won't. That's the point.

infinityio 3y ago

Likely by means of reverse-engineered APIs from smart TVs (or similar) with limited capability to provide integrity, although I'm sure there are steps Google can take to make that harder

rekoil 3y ago

Forgive my ignorance, but what is "WEI"?

crtasm 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity

crtasm 3y ago

Considering how many viewers they have using televisions/set top boxes/streaming usb sticks that will never get an update, do you see that happening any time soon?

paulryanrogers 3y ago
These won't be supported forever
- ugjka 3y ago
  You'd be surprised, I had some old Symbian phone with some really ancient Youtube app and it still was working couple years ago. The phone's screen eventually died, so I can't check now
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    Wasn’t the Wii’s YT client infamously long lived?
    - _chu1 3y ago
      June 2017 is when it ended
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Youtube wants to be a ubiquitous presence in modern culture, therefore it is in their interest to continue to support all the old and busted computers/etc that are still in common use. This includes allowing people to watch videos without an account using the old busted up computer they have in the back room at work, keeping youtube accessible on publicly shared IPs like libraries, coffee shops, even VPNs. I believe they will be very reticent to cut off access to this long tail of users with outdated computers, with no account on shared IPs. As long as this is true, it will be possible to use youtube in contradiction to their TOS. They could lock things down quite tight overnight by requiring people to sign in and use up to date browsers/players, but doing so would threaten their ubiquity.
  - gs17 3y ago
    I would expect them to simply limit streaming quality without having an account to their standards. They tried locking 4K video behind a paywall before and people were upset, but locking it behind an account (plus WEI, but 99% of users won't know the difference) seems like it wouldn't cause outrage.
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