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Hamas also has different wings, it's a political party, it's got a militant wing and it's got a charity wing as well.

junon 3y ago
Exactly this. Nobody seems to talk about the other half of Hamas. I deplore what the military side did, it's not okay in any case. But it's not so cut and dry. There's so much nuance and complexity with this topic that online discussion is so tiring to read. People take two points out of twenty and make sweeping judgements and generalizations without having the full picture.
- crabbone 3y ago
  There is no "other" side of Hamas that doesn't want to kill all the Jews. This is a delusion of someone unfamiliar with situation. They may differ in methods. The side that does fundraising in Western countries knows that being openly anti-Semitic will negatively affect their fundraising activities... so, they aren't that stupid. They want the money / resources and they will pretend for as long as necessary to get those sweet donations. They will promptly give those donations to the other side though.
  - junon 3y ago
    I didn't say that, but I also don't agree with "they want to kill all the Jews". Very little of this conflict has to do with religion, anyway.
    - crabbone 3y ago
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mschuster91 3y ago
And yet neither could exist without the others, and all three are effectively governed by dudes like Ismail Haniyya relaxing safely in Qatar. Furthermore: there haven't been elections since 2006 - there are people at fighting age in the entirety of Palestinian Territories who have never seen a voting booth in their life.
- Synaesthesia 3y ago
  After the elections in 2006, which were not permitted again by Israel, Hamas said they would accept a two state settlement. They have reiterated this many times, and still stand by that, so there's absolutely an opportunity to negotiate with Hamas.
  - crabbone 3y ago
    What two-state settlement are you talking about? Seriously? Hamas is one of the biggest "from the river to the sea" apologists... How deep do you have to stick your head in the sand not to notice that. I mean, there are many things that could be done to help Palestinians to live a better life. Supporting Hamas is definitely not one of those, not by a large margin.

Exactly this. Nobody seems to talk about the other half of Hamas. I deplore what the military side did, it's not okay in any case. But it's not so cut and dry. There's so much nuance and complexity with this topic that online discussion is so tiring to read. People take two points out of twenty and make sweeping judgements and generalizations without having the full picture.

crabbone 3y ago
There is no "other" side of Hamas that doesn't want to kill all the Jews. This is a delusion of someone unfamiliar with situation. They may differ in methods. The side that does fundraising in Western countries knows that being openly anti-Semitic will negatively affect their fundraising activities... so, they aren't that stupid. They want the money / resources and they will pretend for as long as necessary to get those sweet donations. They will promptly give those donations to the other side though.
- junon 3y ago
  I didn't say that, but I also don't agree with "they want to kill all the Jews". Very little of this conflict has to do with religion, anyway.
  - crabbone 3y ago
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mschuster91 3y ago

And yet neither could exist without the others, and all three are effectively governed by dudes like Ismail Haniyya relaxing safely in Qatar. Furthermore: there haven't been elections since 2006 - there are people at fighting age in the entirety of Palestinian Territories who have never seen a voting booth in their life.

Synaesthesia 3y ago
After the elections in 2006, which were not permitted again by Israel, Hamas said they would accept a two state settlement. They have reiterated this many times, and still stand by that, so there's absolutely an opportunity to negotiate with Hamas.
- crabbone 3y ago
  What two-state settlement are you talking about? Seriously? Hamas is one of the biggest "from the river to the sea" apologists... How deep do you have to stick your head in the sand not to notice that. I mean, there are many things that could be done to help Palestinians to live a better life. Supporting Hamas is definitely not one of those, not by a large margin.