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As much as the comments from complaining drivers are frustrating, it reveals that the problem here is relying on speed limits and not street design. If you want
by CalRobert 3y ago
As much as the comments from complaining drivers are frustrating, it reveals that the problem here is relying on speed limits and not street design. If you want drivers to go 20mph, you need to design the street so going any faster feels uncomfortable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglWCuCMSWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglWCuCMSWc discuses this.
Also, I notice that most of those drivers complaining don't address what it's like to have a small child who's a runner and is always trying to get loose of your grip and run in to the street.
- thereisnospork 3y agoI would add to your point that streets should be designed to the highest speed and throughput practical[0] for their locale. It's an obvious source of 'driver frustration' when the apparent objective of these changes is to add friction to transport. No one likes having to dodge speed bumps, or being stuck in traffic on a 'calmed' street. [0] which needs to be supported by e.g. separated bike lanes, well marked and signed x-walks, employment of limited access roads vs. stroads, enforcement, etc.
- CalRobert 3y agoI must admit I found your comment jarring at first, but I don't think we really disagree except on details. I enjoy driving fast in wide open spaces (through farmland on the autobahn for instance). But (and I think you see this) there is a key difference between a street and a road - a _street_ most definitely _should_ have things to slow drivers, because the faster the cars go, the less pleasant it is for anyone not in a car. Nobody likes walking next to 80 kph traffic. But if a system is well designed the only reason you're driving on a street is because it's your destination, and not something you're using to get somewhere else.