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Yes. Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants to retch when I read posts like that. The underlying ego and assumptions are laughable, at best. Beyond
by incongruity 15y ago
Yes. Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants to retch when I read posts like that. The underlying ego and assumptions are laughable, at best.
Beyond that, however, the poster needs to learn about ROC curves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receiver_operating_characteristic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receiver_operating_characterist...) – for just a moment, let's assume we're genuinely only hiring "A" players – then the challenge is a signal detection problem, pure and simple – sorting the signal from the noise and avoiding both false positives and false negatives.
While I have huge issues with the post's method, it's clearly only focused on avoiding false-positives – avoiding hiring someone who's bad but is sold as good/great. Unfortunately, there are real issues with false negatives as well – you may miss out on a fantastic candidate, first and foremost...
But, of course, decisions aren't that simple. Anyone who understands decision making knows that decisions depend highly on context – including the context provided by the other options... and if you systematically fail to account for eliminating some number of options, you may well be (foolishly) limiting the range of options and the context of your decision. In short, "A players" are relative...
And that idea goes even further. Many stellar employees, innovators, coders, etc. don't start out that way. Sure, some do, but those aren't the people applying and giving you references.
Your job, when hiring from a resume pool, is precisely to find those diamonds in the rough – those false negatives.
- mwd_ 15y agoThis is particularly interesting because it is common to hear complaints that (A) it is hard to find "good" people, and (B) it is hard to go through huge quantities of resumes. If those are both true then clearly it's time to worry about false negatives. Maybe failing to hire isn't such a big deal? Maybe there's an element of bravado in claiming that nobody's good enough? Or is a lot of tech hiring just horribly misguided? I'm not sure. Personally I've got to say that I also find the "rock star" rhetoric to be a huge turn-off. When I see it in a job ad I think of how horrible it would be to have to work with a club of self-described "A" players. The gruelling interviews are another perverse system that I think has a negative effect. If you can easily get lots of interviews are you going to bother with the five stage interview with four hours of quiz questions and "homework"?
- incongruity 15y agoWell – the one thing I'll say is that interview processes like that screen out people who are both good and know what they're worth – which is one of the subtle subtexts in much of the hiring processes being discussed/described here – everyone wants the cheap rockstar – not the rockstar that expects rockstar prices and rockstar access... or well, few people do and those people don't use these sorts of hiring mechanisms.