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I'm "convinced" that the "defund the police" was planted to discredit the movement to reform the police. Ugh, what shitty messaging. My understanding is that p

I'm "convinced" that the "defund the police" was planted to discredit the movement to reform the police. Ugh, what shitty messaging. My understanding is that police reform is impossible because the system is so corrupt there's no way to make it happen. I've seen many accounts of the good cops quitting because they got harassed out. Perhaps we should instead focus on messaging for "are the police above the law?" and if not what does that look like? And "why should taxpayers pay for police fuck ups?" I dunno, just tossing stuff out there. But it's clear that policing is broken and needs fixing, and that won't happen until there's enough unity in wanting to see it happen.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> police reform is impossible because the system is so corrupt there's no way to make it happen There are examples of successful police reforms [1]. In egregious cases, forces have been entirely disbanded and rebuilt [2]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/briefing/george-floyd-buffalo-coronavirus-your-friday-briefing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/briefing/george-floyd-buf... [2] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/how-defunding-the-police-department-worked-for-one-new-jersey-city/2452746/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/how-defunding-the-poli...
renewiltord 3y ago
Well, no one remembers the names of the other efforts. So they used resources and went nowhere.
diogenes4 3y ago
> I'm "convinced" that the "defund the police" was planted to discredit the movement to reform the police. "Reform"? You mean spend billions more on training so they can ignore all the criticisms levied at the institution? By any metric defund" is bad, reform is worse. Unless the goal is to change nothing of course, in which case "reform" is clearly preferable. God forbid we agree on any kind of concrete, measurable policy goal....

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> police reform is impossible because the system is so corrupt there's no way to make it happen There are examples of successful police reforms [1]. In egregious cases, forces have been entirely disbanded and rebuilt [2]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/briefing/george-floyd-buffalo-coronavirus-your-friday-briefing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/briefing/george-floyd-buf... [2] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/how-defunding-the-police-department-worked-for-one-new-jersey-city/2452746/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/how-defunding-the-poli...

renewiltord 3y ago

Well, no one remembers the names of the other efforts. So they used resources and went nowhere.

diogenes4 3y ago

> I'm "convinced" that the "defund the police" was planted to discredit the movement to reform the police. "Reform"? You mean spend billions more on training so they can ignore all the criticisms levied at the institution? By any metric defund" is bad, reform is worse. Unless the goal is to change nothing of course, in which case "reform" is clearly preferable. God forbid we agree on any kind of concrete, measurable policy goal....