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The end game isn’t embedded stream, it’s attestation

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
I've heard things along these lines, but always as an aside. Can you expand on this? Like, YouTube would only work in a browser environment which has been approved by Google? and which has promised not to be running in headless mode? And which promises to have validated that there is at least one authentic retina looking at the screen? What is a reasonable end game situation to be working on countermeasures for, and what is tinfoil haberdashery?
- AlexCoventry 3y ago
  https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/27/google_web_environment_integrity/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/27/google_web_environmen...
- bakugo 3y ago
  The end game here is to simply turn all personal computing devices into locked down ecosystems that the user has no real control over, basically what iOS already is (and Android isn't too far off from). All code being executed on the device, from the bootloader all the way to the browser or youtube app, must be approved by the manufacturer, with an opaque black box security chip inside the device verifying that this is true and providing a signed message as proof that has to be sent to Youtube servers before videos are served. This completely eliminates the issue of both adblockers and third-party frontends.
  - oxygen_crisis 3y ago
    After that, impression tracking just needs to start covering some of that gap of air between your brain and the screen. Let's throw in some attention-detecting cameras so you can't skip the ads by looking away from them.
    - lazycouchpotato 3y ago
      They'll let you skip commercials, but not without shouting the brand name. https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-patent-would-have-you-yell-at-your-tv-to-skip-commercials https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-patent-would-have-you-ye...
      - shiroiuma 3y ago
        They'll use ChatGPT (in spoken-audio form, with speech recognition) and you'll have to tell the agent what the ad was for, and why the product is so great, to prove you watched it and really understood the marketing message.
    - anjel 3y ago
      What mute buttons were made for.
    - MattDemers 3y ago
      Drink the verification can.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
    I suppose I should expect my phone to start refusing to run gcc at some point then?

I've heard things along these lines, but always as an aside. Can you expand on this? Like, YouTube would only work in a browser environment which has been approved by Google? and which has promised not to be running in headless mode? And which promises to have validated that there is at least one authentic retina looking at the screen? What is a reasonable end game situation to be working on countermeasures for, and what is tinfoil haberdashery?

AlexCoventry 3y ago
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/27/google_web_environment_integrity/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/27/google_web_environmen...
bakugo 3y ago
The end game here is to simply turn all personal computing devices into locked down ecosystems that the user has no real control over, basically what iOS already is (and Android isn't too far off from). All code being executed on the device, from the bootloader all the way to the browser or youtube app, must be approved by the manufacturer, with an opaque black box security chip inside the device verifying that this is true and providing a signed message as proof that has to be sent to Youtube servers before videos are served. This completely eliminates the issue of both adblockers and third-party frontends.
- oxygen_crisis 3y ago
  After that, impression tracking just needs to start covering some of that gap of air between your brain and the screen. Let's throw in some attention-detecting cameras so you can't skip the ads by looking away from them.
  - lazycouchpotato 3y ago
    They'll let you skip commercials, but not without shouting the brand name. https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-patent-would-have-you-yell-at-your-tv-to-skip-commercials https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-patent-would-have-you-ye...
    - shiroiuma 3y ago
      They'll use ChatGPT (in spoken-audio form, with speech recognition) and you'll have to tell the agent what the ad was for, and why the product is so great, to prove you watched it and really understood the marketing message.
  - anjel 3y ago
    What mute buttons were made for.
  - MattDemers 3y ago
    Drink the verification can.
- deleted 3y ago
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- __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
  I suppose I should expect my phone to start refusing to run gcc at some point then?