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Assembled? So it was made somewhere else.

sys32768 3y ago
I worked a temp job assembling Toshiba CD-ROM drives in America. We attached a face bevel to the drive, ran a quick electrical test, then packed them up into boxes that said "Assembled in America".
- drjasonharrison 3y ago
  With another step or a longer test or higher pay, Toshiba could have passed the 50% cost threshold for "Made in America".
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ecshafer 3y ago
The first step to industrializing is assembling something. Right now it’s an aircraft, but with more money skills and capital, soon maybe it’s worth it to make a screw factory in the same city. Then maybe a steel smelter. And so on.
- theelous3 3y ago
  My uncle is an engineer specialising in glass bottle factory design and building. He's been to and from Tanzania (among other developing nations) a lot over the past 8 or so years building glass bottle plants and glass recycling plants. Suffice to say, they're working on it.
  - trgn 3y ago
    On that note: breweries are bellweather industries. Need glass bottles, assembly lines. High hygiene and cleaning requirements, bringing more of the procedural sides of industrialization.. When a country starts brewing for global market, it's a good sign.
    - BelleOfTheBall 3y ago
      Is Tanzania brewing? I know South Africa has its own liquor that's somewhat popular, but I'm woefully uneducated about the rest of the continent.
      - trgn 3y ago
        I don't know if they're brewing for the world market, but when I was in Dar-es-Salam, I remember ordering Tanzanian beer (e.g. https://untappd.com/b/serengeti-breweries-ltd-serengeti-premium-lager/48247 https://untappd.com/b/serengeti-breweries-ltd-serengeti-prem...)
- alephnerd 3y ago
  They're also expanding their STEM and Management education as well. They've been working with IIT Madras to open an engineering campus in Zanzibar [0] and have built a management/leadership program with China [1]. That said, both of these seem to be a part of the larger regional Cold War between China and India in the Indo-Pac region, but Tanzania has potential similar to Bangladesh and Vietnam 20-30 years ago. If they can navigate this, they can jumpstart their development. Portions of Eastern Africa (Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda) definitely have potential, though others seem lackluster (Rwanda's development has been significant, but seems largely PR driven instead of fundamentals driven - they are still extremely dependent on Foreign Aid compared to other similar countries in the region) [0] - https://zanzibar.iitm.ac.in/ https://zanzibar.iitm.ac.in/ [1] - http://en.people.cn/n3/2022/0304/c90000-9965681.html http://en.people.cn/n3/2022/0304/c90000-9965681.html
thekrowndnf 3y ago
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nvy 3y ago
Aircraft are fractals of subassemblies. The engines are made in one place, the skin panels in another, the avionics are assembled in one place from components made in yet another, and so on. Is it such a surprise to you that a complex machine such as an aircraft undergoes final assembly in one place, using parts and components made in another place? This is how just about everything is made. Did you think Boeing mines its own aluminum ore, alloys it, forms it into panels, makes its own composite turbine blades, and fabs its own silicon chips?
- drjasonharrison 3y ago
  For some people yes. Many people still imagine "Boeing aircraft assembly buildings." You know the ones south of Seattle that combine tires from the tire manufacturer, machined parts from everywhere, engines from another manufacturer, etc into an assembled aircraft. Maybe 3D printing will truly take us back to "locally assembled" looking more like raw materials in, finished sellable product out. But we know that's probably going to also feel disappointing to someone remembering the way steam locomotives were assembled in those old films about the railways in England. Now that was assembly!
- vidarh 3y ago
  This is an tiny kit plane from a Czech manufacturer, though, not a company in Tanzania sourcing components from elsewhere for their own design. It's still great if it lets them build expertise and provides jobs, but they meant it when they said assembled.
  - nvy 3y ago
    >This is an tiny kit plane from a Czech manufacturer, though, not a company in Tanzania sourcing components from elsewhere for their own design. So? There's more skill in that than in what, say, System76 does. Just installing Linux on a rebranded Clevo laptop and giving it a cringey name. Tanzania has to start somewhere if they want to grow their industrial base.
    - vidarh 3y ago
vidarh 3y ago
It's a Czech-based Chinese-owned manufacturer which provides kits.
bobsmooth 3y ago
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch...
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drjasonharrison 3y ago
Don't underestimate the difficulty of assembling something you specified as a bunch of parts, even when you work with a known manufacturer of "kits". Training a team to do it more than once is another challenge. Anyone who has assembled flat pack furniture knows only a little bit of the frustration of assembling as complex a item as a plane.

I worked a temp job assembling Toshiba CD-ROM drives in America. We attached a face bevel to the drive, ran a quick electrical test, then packed them up into boxes that said "Assembled in America".

drjasonharrison 3y ago
With another step or a longer test or higher pay, Toshiba could have passed the 50% cost threshold for "Made in America".

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ecshafer 3y ago

The first step to industrializing is assembling something. Right now it’s an aircraft, but with more money skills and capital, soon maybe it’s worth it to make a screw factory in the same city. Then maybe a steel smelter. And so on.

theelous3 3y ago
My uncle is an engineer specialising in glass bottle factory design and building. He's been to and from Tanzania (among other developing nations) a lot over the past 8 or so years building glass bottle plants and glass recycling plants. Suffice to say, they're working on it.
- trgn 3y ago
  On that note: breweries are bellweather industries. Need glass bottles, assembly lines. High hygiene and cleaning requirements, bringing more of the procedural sides of industrialization.. When a country starts brewing for global market, it's a good sign.
  - BelleOfTheBall 3y ago
    Is Tanzania brewing? I know South Africa has its own liquor that's somewhat popular, but I'm woefully uneducated about the rest of the continent.
    - trgn 3y ago
      I don't know if they're brewing for the world market, but when I was in Dar-es-Salam, I remember ordering Tanzanian beer (e.g. https://untappd.com/b/serengeti-breweries-ltd-serengeti-premium-lager/48247 https://untappd.com/b/serengeti-breweries-ltd-serengeti-prem...)
alephnerd 3y ago
They're also expanding their STEM and Management education as well. They've been working with IIT Madras to open an engineering campus in Zanzibar [0] and have built a management/leadership program with China [1]. That said, both of these seem to be a part of the larger regional Cold War between China and India in the Indo-Pac region, but Tanzania has potential similar to Bangladesh and Vietnam 20-30 years ago. If they can navigate this, they can jumpstart their development. Portions of Eastern Africa (Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda) definitely have potential, though others seem lackluster (Rwanda's development has been significant, but seems largely PR driven instead of fundamentals driven - they are still extremely dependent on Foreign Aid compared to other similar countries in the region) [0] - https://zanzibar.iitm.ac.in/ https://zanzibar.iitm.ac.in/ [1] - http://en.people.cn/n3/2022/0304/c90000-9965681.html http://en.people.cn/n3/2022/0304/c90000-9965681.html

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nvy 3y ago

Aircraft are fractals of subassemblies. The engines are made in one place, the skin panels in another, the avionics are assembled in one place from components made in yet another, and so on. Is it such a surprise to you that a complex machine such as an aircraft undergoes final assembly in one place, using parts and components made in another place? This is how just about everything is made. Did you think Boeing mines its own aluminum ore, alloys it, forms it into panels, makes its own composite turbine blades, and fabs its own silicon chips?

drjasonharrison 3y ago
For some people yes. Many people still imagine "Boeing aircraft assembly buildings." You know the ones south of Seattle that combine tires from the tire manufacturer, machined parts from everywhere, engines from another manufacturer, etc into an assembled aircraft. Maybe 3D printing will truly take us back to "locally assembled" looking more like raw materials in, finished sellable product out. But we know that's probably going to also feel disappointing to someone remembering the way steam locomotives were assembled in those old films about the railways in England. Now that was assembly!
vidarh 3y ago
This is an tiny kit plane from a Czech manufacturer, though, not a company in Tanzania sourcing components from elsewhere for their own design. It's still great if it lets them build expertise and provides jobs, but they meant it when they said assembled.
- nvy 3y ago
  >This is an tiny kit plane from a Czech manufacturer, though, not a company in Tanzania sourcing components from elsewhere for their own design. So? There's more skill in that than in what, say, System76 does. Just installing Linux on a rebranded Clevo laptop and giving it a cringey name. Tanzania has to start somewhere if they want to grow their industrial base.
  - vidarh 3y ago

vidarh 3y ago

It's a Czech-based Chinese-owned manufacturer which provides kits.

bobsmooth 3y ago

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch...

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drjasonharrison 3y ago

Don't underestimate the difficulty of assembling something you specified as a bunch of parts, even when you work with a known manufacturer of "kits". Training a team to do it more than once is another challenge. Anyone who has assembled flat pack furniture knows only a little bit of the frustration of assembling as complex a item as a plane.