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I don't know how to judge this comment? Is this essentially recommending dodging the taxes via a more complicated holding situation and the "do vacation in Germ

I don't know how to judge this comment? Is this essentially recommending dodging the taxes via a more complicated holding situation and the "do vacation in Germany", so essentially operate from germany? If so, I think this is highly unethical. Corporations have to pair their share to keep the society functioning...not just "normal" peoples with their salaries while all the profits get sucked into a foreign black hole.

urduntupu 3y ago
Nothing against paying some taxes. But keep in mind that Germany is among the top ranking highest tax paying countries. And there are better "society functioning" countries than Germany, at much lower tax rate. Not every tax rate is fair. Some tax rates are unethically high b/c due to a overloaded govt. apparatus.
- anonyfox 3y ago
  Not OP but I understand the point. Still for me building up a company is not only for maximizing personal profit by any means, it’s also a social construct that should be valuable for the society. Paying taxes on economic activity, provide jobs and therefore a living for people, and ideally by producing something actually valuable for society itself (not just exploiting natural resources or siphoning off money from other players). Also every country has tradeoffs one way or another. And by far not everyone has the same ideal of solidarity or wants to give back to the society that invested quite a lot in the person before he/she got into the situation of making a lot of money. Still some people (like me) notice it and it’s much more respectable than any billionaire.
- mqus 3y ago
  > some taxes Not just "some taxes", but all of them. Keep in mind the author probably studied in germany and never had to pay any substantial fees to the university, his parents got money during his childhood and he will get money even if he does not immediately find a job after he closes his business. Taxes do go both ways. And just because you think the government is too big, you don't get to decide how much you pay for it, thats what a social welfare state is. If you want to change things, you have to vote, lobby and/or take part in political processes.
  - Lionga 3y ago
    Or you if you want things to change you leave the country. Chance of success: 100% Chance of success with "vote, lobby and/or take part in political processes": 0,001% I was paying over 50% of my income in taxes in Germany, now I live in a country where most things actually work better and pay around 10%. Germany has become an absolut shit show for everyone who is capable and not in the business of scamming via Gov. The chancellor Scholz is literally the guy who helped to steal from gov. via Cum Ex in the biggest scandal of the country. And now the prosecutor to investigate and prosecut cum ex gets defunded. You can't make that shit up.
    - HatchedLake721 3y ago
      Can I guess? The 10% tax country has either 10th of Germany’s population, or rich with natural resources, or has no minimum wage and immigration of cheap labor.
      - LeanderK 3y ago
        I bet it's a tax haven leeching of the countries around it. To be honest, I also don't accept the argument if only you are well off in a poor country where everyone suffers but you make big bucks with a low tax rate. Are they enjoying a comparable healthcare? Adequate pension? If so, you should have been taxed more. I am a social democrat by heart and think that in the end economy serves society and successful entrepreneurs have inherent social responsibility because of the economic power they have.
        Lionga 3y ago
        healthcare is better, pension i take care of myself. Zero leeching, smaller country yes, but why does that matter? But you are so indoctrinated of "Germany is the best" that you will only wake up when your Pension ponzi scheme in germany explodes. Already now 100% of the federal income taxes are needed to support this ponzi scheme. Just think about it Germany could remove all federal income tax if they just did not have the ponzi pension scheme.
manmal 3y ago
If you spend 183+ days in Germany „on vacation“ you‘ll likely have to pay income tax there. Authorities are not _that_ dumb.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Authorities are not _that_ dumb. They're only dumb when it comes to investigating VW, Wirecard or some shady high level politician with strong ties to big business like Schröder or Ursula.
tpetry 3y ago
Yes it looks like a trick to circumvent taxes. But it wont work. The german tax authorities are not stupid: If you are living and operating from Germany for a large part of the year you have to pay german taxes even if your residency is somewhere else. Public figures had to pay a lot of taxes because they calculated the number of days incorrectly.

urduntupu 3y ago

Nothing against paying some taxes. But keep in mind that Germany is among the top ranking highest tax paying countries. And there are better "society functioning" countries than Germany, at much lower tax rate. Not every tax rate is fair. Some tax rates are unethically high b/c due to a overloaded govt. apparatus.

anonyfox 3y ago
Not OP but I understand the point. Still for me building up a company is not only for maximizing personal profit by any means, it’s also a social construct that should be valuable for the society. Paying taxes on economic activity, provide jobs and therefore a living for people, and ideally by producing something actually valuable for society itself (not just exploiting natural resources or siphoning off money from other players). Also every country has tradeoffs one way or another. And by far not everyone has the same ideal of solidarity or wants to give back to the society that invested quite a lot in the person before he/she got into the situation of making a lot of money. Still some people (like me) notice it and it’s much more respectable than any billionaire.
mqus 3y ago
> some taxes Not just "some taxes", but all of them. Keep in mind the author probably studied in germany and never had to pay any substantial fees to the university, his parents got money during his childhood and he will get money even if he does not immediately find a job after he closes his business. Taxes do go both ways. And just because you think the government is too big, you don't get to decide how much you pay for it, thats what a social welfare state is. If you want to change things, you have to vote, lobby and/or take part in political processes.
- Lionga 3y ago
  Or you if you want things to change you leave the country. Chance of success: 100% Chance of success with "vote, lobby and/or take part in political processes": 0,001% I was paying over 50% of my income in taxes in Germany, now I live in a country where most things actually work better and pay around 10%. Germany has become an absolut shit show for everyone who is capable and not in the business of scamming via Gov. The chancellor Scholz is literally the guy who helped to steal from gov. via Cum Ex in the biggest scandal of the country. And now the prosecutor to investigate and prosecut cum ex gets defunded. You can't make that shit up.
  - HatchedLake721 3y ago
    Can I guess? The 10% tax country has either 10th of Germany’s population, or rich with natural resources, or has no minimum wage and immigration of cheap labor.
    - LeanderK 3y ago
      I bet it's a tax haven leeching of the countries around it. To be honest, I also don't accept the argument if only you are well off in a poor country where everyone suffers but you make big bucks with a low tax rate. Are they enjoying a comparable healthcare? Adequate pension? If so, you should have been taxed more. I am a social democrat by heart and think that in the end economy serves society and successful entrepreneurs have inherent social responsibility because of the economic power they have.
      - Lionga 3y ago
        healthcare is better, pension i take care of myself. Zero leeching, smaller country yes, but why does that matter? But you are so indoctrinated of "Germany is the best" that you will only wake up when your Pension ponzi scheme in germany explodes. Already now 100% of the federal income taxes are needed to support this ponzi scheme. Just think about it Germany could remove all federal income tax if they just did not have the ponzi pension scheme.

manmal 3y ago

If you spend 183+ days in Germany „on vacation“ you‘ll likely have to pay income tax there. Authorities are not _that_ dumb.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Authorities are not _that_ dumb. They're only dumb when it comes to investigating VW, Wirecard or some shady high level politician with strong ties to big business like Schröder or Ursula.

tpetry 3y ago

Yes it looks like a trick to circumvent taxes. But it wont work. The german tax authorities are not stupid: If you are living and operating from Germany for a large part of the year you have to pay german taxes even if your residency is somewhere else. Public figures had to pay a lot of taxes because they calculated the number of days incorrectly.