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downsides of Windows software compatibility will trump performance or battery life upsides Windows is effectively x86 forever as bad as things are for Intel,

downsides of Windows software compatibility will trump performance or battery life upsides Windows is effectively x86 forever as bad as things are for Intel, I doubt they are losing sleep over this

QuarterReptile 3y ago
All things are effectively monopolies forever, until they're not. Facebook is undefeatable except that all the kids stopped using it. Google is printing money, but technically savvy people all know it's shit at answering search queries anymore. And on and on. x86 is too much of a juggernaut to overcome, except that most people just interact with internet browsers now, and the pace of security research means that legacy software is a big liability. Or unless you get the government to take anti-trust action 'against' you at your zenith, a la Standard Oil.
- oldpersonintx 3y ago
  x86 is not a monopoly
  - QuarterReptile 3y ago
    Pardon my lazy shorthand. Dominant systems/players/schemes seem unbeatable until they aren't (typically related to the hubris associated with being dominant.)
bloqs 3y ago
Rosetta example proves this is just a money barrier
- astrange 3y ago
  Something like Rosetta is not expensive to develop, and ARM Windows has an equivalent I believe.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    ARMCE executable format as well, but developers have to care to recompile.
anaisbetts 3y ago
Have you actually used Windows on ARM? It works incredibly well, I'm not sure where you got this notion from. x86/amd64 automatic translation is almost completely seamless. Windows isn't The Problem here, it's Qualcomm being a tire fire and being leagues behind Apple. It's wild how they have managed to have such a stranglehold on the entire ARM architecture via patents, all so they can enable Apple to wipe the floor with them
- TillE 3y ago
  I suppose if you have the OS and web browser running natively on ARM, it's tolerable to run non-CPU-intensive software through a translation layer. And yeah it's pretty good, I was able to run some creaky old VB6 program on Windows for ARM64.

downsides of Windows software compatibility will trump performance or battery life upsides Windows is effectively x86 forever as bad as things are for Intel, I doubt they are losing sleep over this

QuarterReptile 3y ago

All things are effectively monopolies forever, until they're not. Facebook is undefeatable except that all the kids stopped using it. Google is printing money, but technically savvy people all know it's shit at answering search queries anymore. And on and on. x86 is too much of a juggernaut to overcome, except that most people just interact with internet browsers now, and the pace of security research means that legacy software is a big liability. Or unless you get the government to take anti-trust action 'against' you at your zenith, a la Standard Oil.

oldpersonintx 3y ago
x86 is not a monopoly
- QuarterReptile 3y ago
  Pardon my lazy shorthand. Dominant systems/players/schemes seem unbeatable until they aren't (typically related to the hubris associated with being dominant.)

bloqs 3y ago

Rosetta example proves this is just a money barrier

astrange 3y ago
Something like Rosetta is not expensive to develop, and ARM Windows has an equivalent I believe.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  ARMCE executable format as well, but developers have to care to recompile.

anaisbetts 3y ago

Have you actually used Windows on ARM? It works incredibly well, I'm not sure where you got this notion from. x86/amd64 automatic translation is almost completely seamless. Windows isn't The Problem here, it's Qualcomm being a tire fire and being leagues behind Apple. It's wild how they have managed to have such a stranglehold on the entire ARM architecture via patents, all so they can enable Apple to wipe the floor with them

TillE 3y ago
I suppose if you have the OS and web browser running natively on ARM, it's tolerable to run non-CPU-intensive software through a translation layer. And yeah it's pretty good, I was able to run some creaky old VB6 program on Windows for ARM64.