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I felt a great disturbance in the force as if thousands of pen-testers and grey hats cried out in agony as their go to means of breaking enterprise networks was

I felt a great disturbance in the force as if thousands of pen-testers and grey hats cried out in agony as their go to means of breaking enterprise networks was lost.

jeroenhd 3y ago
Don't worry, that printer from 2003 the CEO has an emotional connection to probably requires the entire network to keep NTLM enabled. The moment Microsoft rolls out a "turn NTLM back on" checkbox, the internet will be flooded with "how to fix printer not working on Windows 11" articles that will linger at least as long as the stupid "just disable SELinux if you run into any kind of error" articles are sticking around.
- hackmiester 3y ago
  We use CUPS as a proxy to allow us to upgrade the rest of the network. :)
- philipov 3y ago
  To be fair, finding a good printer is hard. Mid-range enterprise printers manufactured before 2006 are in great demand, because of the progress of enshittification by the industry.
  - acdha 3y ago
    Or you can buy a Brother and spend your time on anything else. Let markets do their thing!
    - nickpeterson 3y ago
      Can confirm, I bought a brother color laser for home use years back and it has been a tank.
    - stevehawk 3y ago
      Brother recently adopted the same anticonsumer tactics as everyone else
      - drdaeman 3y ago
        Can you tell more, please? I missed those news.
        smegsicle 3y ago
        Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia | Hacker News https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131
    - bafe 3y ago
      I can concur. My four year old brother MFC works like a charm. Every part is easily accessible and it works on the network without any issues
    - opan 3y ago
      Which exact model do you have and when did you buy it? I would advise against trusting an entire company.
- MenhirMike 3y ago
  I guess that's why they're killing of third party printer drivers as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37473628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37473628
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    They're not killing off printer drivers entirely, but they are moving them to userspace. A good idea that should've been implemented a long time ago, in my opinion, though I suspect printer driver manufacturers would've thrown a hissy fit if they actually did so back in the day.
    - WorldMaker 3y ago
      They tried in Windows 8 and printer driver manufacturers did throw a hissy fit. It was one of the big propaganda sources for "UWP is terrible" discourse because UWP gave the best printer experience for userspace printer drivers and that was Windows 8's carrot incentive to try to get the driver writers to upgrade. Rather than accept the carrot most of the driver writers jumped straight into "UWP is bad and no one wants it and please, please users should ignore the nice parts like the new print driver stack" bandwagon.
      - jeroenhd 3y ago
        Windows 8's implementation of UWP was shit for most use cases, though. Desktop users and full screen touch interfaces just don't mix.
        WorldMaker 3y ago
        I greatly disagree, personally. I don't think enough desktop users gave it a chance. It certainly didn't help that good differentiating features like the better printer stack were just about murdered in their crib. I still think there was a lot of missed opportunity in Windows 8's implementation of UWP and still wonder what might have happened had it been given more time to iterate and more time to showcase its good sides. (Also, Fitt's Law suggests that what's good for the touch goose is great for the mouse gander. Carefully thought out "touch screen-first" interfaces can be amazingly friendly to mouse users. Desktop users have become obsessed with reducing things down to the FPS equivalent of a "headshot" target area and have forgotten what early 640x480 Windows was like when even 32x32 pixel targets were the relative size of a barn door and much friendlier to newcomers, tired eyes/arms, and anyone in some state of different ability.)
- lp0_on_fire 3y ago
  I jest…but I have an emotional attachment to my HP 4000 LaserJet. She might be a little slow to print, she might only speak PCL 5, she might have an external usb jet direct adapter…but she prints every time and never jams.
surge 3y ago
Likely the places still supporting it will re-enable it.

I felt a great disturbance in the force as if thousands of pen-testers and grey hats cried out in agony as their go to means of breaking enterprise networks was lost.

jeroenhd 3y ago

Don't worry, that printer from 2003 the CEO has an emotional connection to probably requires the entire network to keep NTLM enabled. The moment Microsoft rolls out a "turn NTLM back on" checkbox, the internet will be flooded with "how to fix printer not working on Windows 11" articles that will linger at least as long as the stupid "just disable SELinux if you run into any kind of error" articles are sticking around.

hackmiester 3y ago
We use CUPS as a proxy to allow us to upgrade the rest of the network. :)
philipov 3y ago
To be fair, finding a good printer is hard. Mid-range enterprise printers manufactured before 2006 are in great demand, because of the progress of enshittification by the industry.
- acdha 3y ago
  Or you can buy a Brother and spend your time on anything else. Let markets do their thing!
  - nickpeterson 3y ago
    Can confirm, I bought a brother color laser for home use years back and it has been a tank.
  - stevehawk 3y ago
    Brother recently adopted the same anticonsumer tactics as everyone else
    - drdaeman 3y ago
      Can you tell more, please? I missed those news.
      - smegsicle 3y ago
        Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia | Hacker News https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131
  - bafe 3y ago
    I can concur. My four year old brother MFC works like a charm. Every part is easily accessible and it works on the network without any issues
  - opan 3y ago
    Which exact model do you have and when did you buy it? I would advise against trusting an entire company.
MenhirMike 3y ago
I guess that's why they're killing of third party printer drivers as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37473628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37473628
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  They're not killing off printer drivers entirely, but they are moving them to userspace. A good idea that should've been implemented a long time ago, in my opinion, though I suspect printer driver manufacturers would've thrown a hissy fit if they actually did so back in the day.
  - WorldMaker 3y ago
    They tried in Windows 8 and printer driver manufacturers did throw a hissy fit. It was one of the big propaganda sources for "UWP is terrible" discourse because UWP gave the best printer experience for userspace printer drivers and that was Windows 8's carrot incentive to try to get the driver writers to upgrade. Rather than accept the carrot most of the driver writers jumped straight into "UWP is bad and no one wants it and please, please users should ignore the nice parts like the new print driver stack" bandwagon.
    - jeroenhd 3y ago
      Windows 8's implementation of UWP was shit for most use cases, though. Desktop users and full screen touch interfaces just don't mix.
      - WorldMaker 3y ago
        I greatly disagree, personally. I don't think enough desktop users gave it a chance. It certainly didn't help that good differentiating features like the better printer stack were just about murdered in their crib. I still think there was a lot of missed opportunity in Windows 8's implementation of UWP and still wonder what might have happened had it been given more time to iterate and more time to showcase its good sides. (Also, Fitt's Law suggests that what's good for the touch goose is great for the mouse gander. Carefully thought out "touch screen-first" interfaces can be amazingly friendly to mouse users. Desktop users have become obsessed with reducing things down to the FPS equivalent of a "headshot" target area and have forgotten what early 640x480 Windows was like when even 32x32 pixel targets were the relative size of a barn door and much friendlier to newcomers, tired eyes/arms, and anyone in some state of different ability.)
lp0_on_fire 3y ago
I jest…but I have an emotional attachment to my HP 4000 LaserJet. She might be a little slow to print, she might only speak PCL 5, she might have an external usb jet direct adapter…but she prints every time and never jams.

surge 3y ago

Likely the places still supporting it will re-enable it.