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I think you are misreading the situation. It’s not enough to have open standards if the big guys just consume that data into their closed platforms. The author

by josho 3y ago

I think you are misreading the situation. It’s not enough to have open standards if the big guys just consume that data into their closed platforms. The author argues they are too powerful. We had open standards and big tech embraced and then locked it into their platforms. We need regulations at this point.

nologic01 3y ago
I agree its a bigger discussion. The fediverse is not a magic wand. Its a direction, not a destination. Lots of unresolved problems. But those giant sclerotic organizations could assume some responsibility for the mess they have helped create by, in the first instance signalling they understand this. Somebody mentioned in the thread they have a trial account on mastodon. Good, five years late but better than never.
winternett 3y ago
The universe let it all happen. By using cloud services, analytics, and free email services to allow monoliths to be able to run surveillance on basically every original idea launched since the early 2000s, users let and enabled this to happen. Not only did people open their information and identities deeply to companies like google, they also funded them vastly by caving in once free services became paid services. On the back end, there is I'm sure a complex and covert dashboard project and monitoring systems to detect ideas and trends that fuel/drive decisions in Google's deeply anti-competitive behavior. There's even a solid chance that legislators are tapped via enterprise Gmail services the government now heartily uses (for example), and Google knows everything that is coming through the pipeline. Everyone was warned by scholars long ago about exactly this scenario, but we keep re-inventing the Titanic and the Hindenburg on hubris and ignorance, it never fails. It's far too late to regulate this away. Google needs to be broken up and diversified into new and totally individually distinct and independent companies for future accountability and segregation of info to be upheld.
- john_the_writer 3y ago
  There is just no alternative. If you want to self host a site your ISP won't let you. If you want to self host email, none of your messages will get through. 15 years ago I could host a site at home. Today, it can't be done. Want to regulate something... Make ISP's allow for self hosting. My 5 year old android phone has the power to host a small personal site, but my ISP won't let it happen.
  - squigz 3y ago
    What sort of place do you live that you can't host a site on your home network?
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      A NAT
      - Cyphase 3y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT
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by josho 3y ago

nologic01 3y ago

I agree its a bigger discussion. The fediverse is not a magic wand. Its a direction, not a destination. Lots of unresolved problems. But those giant sclerotic organizations could assume some responsibility for the mess they have helped create by, in the first instance signalling they understand this. Somebody mentioned in the thread they have a trial account on mastodon. Good, five years late but better than never.

winternett 3y ago

The universe let it all happen. By using cloud services, analytics, and free email services to allow monoliths to be able to run surveillance on basically every original idea launched since the early 2000s, users let and enabled this to happen. Not only did people open their information and identities deeply to companies like google, they also funded them vastly by caving in once free services became paid services. On the back end, there is I'm sure a complex and covert dashboard project and monitoring systems to detect ideas and trends that fuel/drive decisions in Google's deeply anti-competitive behavior. There's even a solid chance that legislators are tapped via enterprise Gmail services the government now heartily uses (for example), and Google knows everything that is coming through the pipeline. Everyone was warned by scholars long ago about exactly this scenario, but we keep re-inventing the Titanic and the Hindenburg on hubris and ignorance, it never fails. It's far too late to regulate this away. Google needs to be broken up and diversified into new and totally individually distinct and independent companies for future accountability and segregation of info to be upheld.

john_the_writer 3y ago
There is just no alternative. If you want to self host a site your ISP won't let you. If you want to self host email, none of your messages will get through. 15 years ago I could host a site at home. Today, it can't be done. Want to regulate something... Make ISP's allow for self hosting. My 5 year old android phone has the power to host a small personal site, but my ISP won't let it happen.
- squigz 3y ago
  What sort of place do you live that you can't host a site on your home network?
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    A NAT
    - Cyphase 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

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