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DMCA says so (and several such projects have been removed via DMCA takedown). youtube-dl also walked into that one. In general, software engineers even on HN t

by izacus 3y ago

DMCA says so (and several such projects have been removed via DMCA takedown). youtube-dl also walked into that one. In general, software engineers even on HN tend to agree with that - that using their paid service without paying is bad, yeah.

wzdd 3y ago
> using their paid service without paying is bad Software engineers on HN or anywhere else certainly do not tend to agree that stripping ads from freely-available content is equivalent to using a paid service without paying.
- HenryBemis 3y ago
  (not defending Google here) I believe that YT costs money to operate. So when I use it without watching ads (which is exactly what I do), I kinda cheat a few cents from them per day/month/year. Also, having built IOS apps in the past: I love the idea that people use them I hate the idea that people use them without paying for them
  - wzdd 3y ago
    > I kinda cheat a few cents from them per day/month/year You certainly do not. There is a very simple and legally-recognised way to recuperate costs associated with providing a service and that is to charge money for the service. Youtube is very happy to give you content for free; you're cheating nobody. Or do you think you're cheating if you watch the ads but don't buy any of the products too? > I hate the idea that people use [my apps] without paying for them Do you charge money for them?
- nomel 3y ago
  > freely-available It’s not freely available. It has very real costs associated with it, which is why YouTube was a money burn pit for the majority of its existence.
  - wzdd 3y ago
    > It’s not freely available It is made available to the general public without cost. It is freely available.
    - nomel 3y ago
      It's "free", but not without compensation, and why FreeTube exists: the user is compensated with a free video only after being forced [1] to watch ads, or they can pay [2]. I don't believe compensation, behind a required act, is involved with "free", which is why I would describe it to someone as "ad supported" or even "free, with ads" (which most marketing uses, probably through the advice of legal). [1] https://cybernews.com/tech/youtube-crackdown-on-adblock-users/ https://cybernews.com/tech/youtube-crackdown-on-adblock-user... [2] https://www.youtube.com/premium https://www.youtube.com/premium
boomboomsubban 3y ago
I don't think the US has ruled over whether third party YouTube apps are DMCA violations yet. The DMCA takedown of youtube-dl was complete nonsense, even if youtube-dl is violating the DMCA it is not copyright material subject to a takedown. And Germany has ruled that YouTube's rolling cipher is DRM, but that case may be being appealed and has nothing to do with the US DMCA.
- Mindwipe 3y ago
  That's probably not relevant to Github hosting - Github would very much like to continue to operate in the EU.
- izacus 3y ago
  And yet it was taken down, never to return.
  - boomboomsubban 3y ago
    https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl

by izacus 3y ago

wzdd 3y ago

> using their paid service without paying is bad Software engineers on HN or anywhere else certainly do not tend to agree that stripping ads from freely-available content is equivalent to using a paid service without paying.

HenryBemis 3y ago
(not defending Google here) I believe that YT costs money to operate. So when I use it without watching ads (which is exactly what I do), I kinda cheat a few cents from them per day/month/year. Also, having built IOS apps in the past: I love the idea that people use them I hate the idea that people use them without paying for them
- wzdd 3y ago
  > I kinda cheat a few cents from them per day/month/year You certainly do not. There is a very simple and legally-recognised way to recuperate costs associated with providing a service and that is to charge money for the service. Youtube is very happy to give you content for free; you're cheating nobody. Or do you think you're cheating if you watch the ads but don't buy any of the products too? > I hate the idea that people use [my apps] without paying for them Do you charge money for them?
nomel 3y ago
> freely-available It’s not freely available. It has very real costs associated with it, which is why YouTube was a money burn pit for the majority of its existence.
- wzdd 3y ago
  > It’s not freely available It is made available to the general public without cost. It is freely available.
  - nomel 3y ago
    It's "free", but not without compensation, and why FreeTube exists: the user is compensated with a free video only after being forced [1] to watch ads, or they can pay [2]. I don't believe compensation, behind a required act, is involved with "free", which is why I would describe it to someone as "ad supported" or even "free, with ads" (which most marketing uses, probably through the advice of legal). [1] https://cybernews.com/tech/youtube-crackdown-on-adblock-users/ https://cybernews.com/tech/youtube-crackdown-on-adblock-user... [2] https://www.youtube.com/premium https://www.youtube.com/premium

boomboomsubban 3y ago

I don't think the US has ruled over whether third party YouTube apps are DMCA violations yet. The DMCA takedown of youtube-dl was complete nonsense, even if youtube-dl is violating the DMCA it is not copyright material subject to a takedown. And Germany has ruled that YouTube's rolling cipher is DRM, but that case may be being appealed and has nothing to do with the US DMCA.

Mindwipe 3y ago
That's probably not relevant to Github hosting - Github would very much like to continue to operate in the EU.
izacus 3y ago
And yet it was taken down, never to return.
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl