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Being specifically anti-cryptocurrency seems both too specific and not specific enough. Why aren't oil and gas companies excluded? Why isn't ad-tech excluded? W

Being specifically anti-cryptocurrency seems both too specific and not specific enough. Why aren't oil and gas companies excluded? Why isn't ad-tech excluded? Why aren't dodgy anti-virus companies that pray on the computer illiterate excluded? Why are all cryptocurrency jobs excluded? Why aren't jobs around blockchain analysis for fraud or tax investigations allowed? The result is a feeling that this site is an emotional response to an individual's frustrations, rather than a meaningful attempt to change the job market.

progbits 3y ago
Because for whatever reason a very large fraction (in my subjective view majority but I don't have the data to back that up) of Rust job offers are cryptocurrency related. Some of us just don't care for it and don't want the noise so I like the idea behind this site.
- birracerveza 3y ago
  Then just offer users the option to filter them? What's the point of refusing to post cryptocurrency related jobs beforehand? It's weird, useless posturing.
  - progbits 3y ago
    There are plenty such sites with filters. Though the labeling isn't always accurate.
- hcks 3y ago
  I mean when you pick a job based on the language you’ll use and it’s the same language crypto companies love you have to ask yourself some questions (esp if you hate crypto)
Varqu 3y ago
Speaking from my own perspective of running general tech job boards [1], I would say that too narrow job boards have a really short lifespan. This is because, you need a good supply of fresh offers to keep the audience. So if you end up to niche, you quickly become a job-ad-graveryard. Unless you scrap other big job sites automatically and somehow manage to filter and classify the jobs based on your niche. [1] https://devitjobs.uk https://devitjobs.uk and https://devitjobs.us https://devitjobs.us
- danpalmer 3y ago
  Agreed. It's like single issue political parties. They make a point and then will disappear once people realise that a strong feeling about just one issue is actually a very small statement overall. I guess I'd like to see this job board refocus to be a curated set of jobs, that are chosen by a group of technical experts and those who are trusted to vouch for good company cultures. It may be that no cryptocurrency jobs get through that filter! That may even be an unwritten rule. But the fact that it's not the tagline of the whole site would hopefully make it more impactful in the long run.
popularonion 3y ago
I don’t think Exxon or Monsanto are hiring a lot of Rust developers
- KirillPanov 3y ago
  ... but Anduril sure does.
pavlov 3y ago
It’s impossible to make everyone happy when drawing a boundary. If enough people share the author’s frustrations, it won’t matter that the initial rules are “too specific and not specific enough” because they can evolve as the community evolves. After all the same thing could have been said about the initial rules of Craigslist, Facebook, and many other projects that started narrow.
anonymoushn 3y ago
Watch out, Cloudflare is a crypto job since the company runs an IPFS gateway: https://developers.cloudflare.com/web3/ipfs-gateway/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/web3/ipfs-gateway/
- diggan 3y ago
  Funny that you mention that Cloudflare runs a IPFS gateway which has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies, but you don't mention they also run gateways for Ethereum and Polygon, which are actual cryptocurrencies.
jokethrowaway 3y ago
I'm not against Cryptocurrencies but it's definitely an industry that could be wiped out by lawmakers the moment they realize how "this internet thing works" or the moment they decide to do their cryptocurrency and screw the ones made by private citizens - so I feel a bit shaky working for an employer related to Crypto. For example, in my country (in the EUSSR), if you're a third country national and doing something related to cryptocurrencies you won't be able to open a bank account and fail the requirement to immigrate here (happened to a friend of mine). Similarly if you try to buy a house with money coming from crypto you won't be able to physically put the money into the bank for "compliance". So you are already cut out with buying real estate from banks and corporations and you need to find a private buyer happy to accept to be paid outside of the country (if you send money to his bank in the country, he will be hit with the same compliance problems). Cryptocurrency tries to solve a political problem with technical means and I'm surprised it hasn't been banned yet - but I'm sure it won't end well, in one way or another. Mind you, one way could be that it turns into ETH where government regulations cover validators (eg. they banned money coming from the cryptotumbler) - but then we're back at just your standard banking systems, with more hoops.
xmcqdpt2 3y ago
I think filtering out crypto makes sense even discounting any ethical issues. I wouldn't work for a defence contractor but many defence jobs are real, good jobs with benefits etc. That isn't true of the majority of crypto job postings I've come across. The crypto "ecosystem" is very much mostly scams and fly-by-night operations.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  I feel the same about the crypto ecosystem, and yet this comment is correct. The value of the crypto jobs doesn't matter, and doesn't make the points go away. A thoughtless idea that expresses something you like, is still a thoughtless idea and can't actually attain the desired goal everyone involved says they want. It doesn't matter how much you also don't like the thing that the thoughtless idea aims to combat. It doesn't matter how much we all agree that most crypto jobs are bad.
alkonaut 3y ago
Simply because it's not the case that 90% of all Rust job ads are from oil and gas companies. If there was some questionable section of business that also had a huge chunk of the rust job postings then I'm sure it would be that way. The reason it isn't is because it isn't needed. And yes this is due to frustration. But it's an actual solution to an actual problem, not a hypothetical.
helen___keller 3y ago
As someone who has looked for rust jobs before, I liked this link because in the past most rust jobs I found on the market were for blockchain or blockchain applications. If you’re fine with those, any generic job aggregation site works
volonoctu 3y ago
Because it's probably less about central planning what jobs are ethical by your definitions and more about protecting people applying to jobs from shady crypto job postings. Not to say that it's a good decision though, however there is a large amount of bad looking crypto jobs advertised looking for Rust.
hardwaregeek 3y ago
You're not wrong! I don't want to see Rust cryptocurrency jobs, so I built this site. If you don't agree with that, then there are loads of great sites for finding Rust jobs in crypto. I'm not purporting to be the site for Rust jobs. It's simply a curated list selected by me.

progbits 3y ago

Because for whatever reason a very large fraction (in my subjective view majority but I don't have the data to back that up) of Rust job offers are cryptocurrency related. Some of us just don't care for it and don't want the noise so I like the idea behind this site.

birracerveza 3y ago
Then just offer users the option to filter them? What's the point of refusing to post cryptocurrency related jobs beforehand? It's weird, useless posturing.
- progbits 3y ago
  There are plenty such sites with filters. Though the labeling isn't always accurate.
hcks 3y ago
I mean when you pick a job based on the language you’ll use and it’s the same language crypto companies love you have to ask yourself some questions (esp if you hate crypto)

Varqu 3y ago

Speaking from my own perspective of running general tech job boards [1], I would say that too narrow job boards have a really short lifespan. This is because, you need a good supply of fresh offers to keep the audience. So if you end up to niche, you quickly become a job-ad-graveryard. Unless you scrap other big job sites automatically and somehow manage to filter and classify the jobs based on your niche. [1] https://devitjobs.uk https://devitjobs.uk and https://devitjobs.us https://devitjobs.us

danpalmer 3y ago
Agreed. It's like single issue political parties. They make a point and then will disappear once people realise that a strong feeling about just one issue is actually a very small statement overall. I guess I'd like to see this job board refocus to be a curated set of jobs, that are chosen by a group of technical experts and those who are trusted to vouch for good company cultures. It may be that no cryptocurrency jobs get through that filter! That may even be an unwritten rule. But the fact that it's not the tagline of the whole site would hopefully make it more impactful in the long run.

popularonion 3y ago

I don’t think Exxon or Monsanto are hiring a lot of Rust developers

KirillPanov 3y ago
... but Anduril sure does.

pavlov 3y ago

It’s impossible to make everyone happy when drawing a boundary. If enough people share the author’s frustrations, it won’t matter that the initial rules are “too specific and not specific enough” because they can evolve as the community evolves. After all the same thing could have been said about the initial rules of Craigslist, Facebook, and many other projects that started narrow.

anonymoushn 3y ago

Watch out, Cloudflare is a crypto job since the company runs an IPFS gateway: https://developers.cloudflare.com/web3/ipfs-gateway/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/web3/ipfs-gateway/

diggan 3y ago
Funny that you mention that Cloudflare runs a IPFS gateway which has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies, but you don't mention they also run gateways for Ethereum and Polygon, which are actual cryptocurrencies.

jokethrowaway 3y ago

I'm not against Cryptocurrencies but it's definitely an industry that could be wiped out by lawmakers the moment they realize how "this internet thing works" or the moment they decide to do their cryptocurrency and screw the ones made by private citizens - so I feel a bit shaky working for an employer related to Crypto. For example, in my country (in the EUSSR), if you're a third country national and doing something related to cryptocurrencies you won't be able to open a bank account and fail the requirement to immigrate here (happened to a friend of mine). Similarly if you try to buy a house with money coming from crypto you won't be able to physically put the money into the bank for "compliance". So you are already cut out with buying real estate from banks and corporations and you need to find a private buyer happy to accept to be paid outside of the country (if you send money to his bank in the country, he will be hit with the same compliance problems). Cryptocurrency tries to solve a political problem with technical means and I'm surprised it hasn't been banned yet - but I'm sure it won't end well, in one way or another. Mind you, one way could be that it turns into ETH where government regulations cover validators (eg. they banned money coming from the cryptotumbler) - but then we're back at just your standard banking systems, with more hoops.

xmcqdpt2 3y ago

I think filtering out crypto makes sense even discounting any ethical issues. I wouldn't work for a defence contractor but many defence jobs are real, good jobs with benefits etc. That isn't true of the majority of crypto job postings I've come across. The crypto "ecosystem" is very much mostly scams and fly-by-night operations.

Brian_K_White 3y ago
I feel the same about the crypto ecosystem, and yet this comment is correct. The value of the crypto jobs doesn't matter, and doesn't make the points go away. A thoughtless idea that expresses something you like, is still a thoughtless idea and can't actually attain the desired goal everyone involved says they want. It doesn't matter how much you also don't like the thing that the thoughtless idea aims to combat. It doesn't matter how much we all agree that most crypto jobs are bad.

alkonaut 3y ago

Simply because it's not the case that 90% of all Rust job ads are from oil and gas companies. If there was some questionable section of business that also had a huge chunk of the rust job postings then I'm sure it would be that way. The reason it isn't is because it isn't needed. And yes this is due to frustration. But it's an actual solution to an actual problem, not a hypothetical.

helen___keller 3y ago

As someone who has looked for rust jobs before, I liked this link because in the past most rust jobs I found on the market were for blockchain or blockchain applications. If you’re fine with those, any generic job aggregation site works

volonoctu 3y ago

Because it's probably less about central planning what jobs are ethical by your definitions and more about protecting people applying to jobs from shady crypto job postings. Not to say that it's a good decision though, however there is a large amount of bad looking crypto jobs advertised looking for Rust.

hardwaregeek 3y ago

You're not wrong! I don't want to see Rust cryptocurrency jobs, so I built this site. If you don't agree with that, then there are loads of great sites for finding Rust jobs in crypto. I'm not purporting to be the site for Rust jobs. It's simply a curated list selected by me.