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A bitter commentary on EuroRust conf

13 points by kunley 3y ago

jamesmunns 3y ago
@dang this looks like a fairly editorialized take on the title: Original: "EuroRust 2023 Reflections: What's a Conference For?" Current: "A bitter commentary on EuroRust conf"
- culebron21 3y ago
  Reminded me of an old cartoon: Scientist: I'm sick of you, filthy journalists! Get off!!! News title: Scientist Assaults a Journalist
- culebron21 3y ago
  An idea for LLM AI startup: editorializer (translates titles in journalistish), and clickbaitizer (translates titles in present day internetmediatish).
- kunley 3y ago
  Or rather: a realistic take, because the article is bitter. This kind of headline edit is done assuming the maturity of the readers: they can see by themselves if the title matches the content and act accordingly. The fact that the original author decided to soften his message in the headline, doesn't change the content. So, as long as there is free speech, one can submit link like I did. You're also free to complain, and yet others have right to disagree with you.
  - mkl 3y ago
    No, it's putting your own opinion in the title, and it's against the HN guidelines: "please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize" (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)
    - kunley 3y ago
      I disagree, I merely put back original author's opinion he stated in the article. Saw that many times here, btw.
      - Brian_K_White 3y ago
        The original author wrote their opinion in their own title. You wrote your own opinion. I read the same article and did not percieve bitterness even though it was critical. So now what? This is probably exactly why there is simply a rule about editorializing that applies the same in all cases and leaves no room for creative interpretation. It doesn't matter which of us is right this way. You can still think your perception is OBVIOUSLY the sane one, and so can I. And the cherry on top is needing to have such a thing explained while presuming to lecture anyone else about maturity. Chefs kiss right there.
        kunley 3y ago
        Mmm, I will just address the last paragraph as I am a bit in a hurry, you are mistaken thinking I am lecturing anyone about maturity... exactly the opposite, I strongly believe in people's genuine maturity and that they don't need much control over such trivia as the headline for example. They can judge by themselves.
        Brian_K_White 3y ago
        And I believe that replacing a title, especially without indicating so IN the new title somehow, is putting your words into someone else's mouth, which is failing of basic integrity. You could argue that applying one's own title is only adding commentary rather than editing, and so not a lack of integrity. But then we are back to square one that you wrote your opinion rather than the unadulterated facts. Or you could also argue that it is editing, putting words into someone else's mouth, since, there literally were words from the speaker, which you literally replaced with words from yourself, and you didn't indicate that these new words were yours with "I think" or other modifiers in your replacement title.
maegul 3y ago
Funny talking about the toxicity of social media as a factor behind recent incidents and bleakness when every other language or professional community has exactly the same social media landscape presumably without the same issues or to the same magnitude. Not that said toxicity doesn’t exist, but struggling with it more (?), and doing other things such as the keynote incident which did not occur on social media AFAIK indicate other/deeper cultural issues I’d say. These suggestions make sense to me though, all hands especially IMO … they can be a good way to force institutions to be grounded and can often be cringey for groups that have lost touch and the faith of their constituents.

13 points by kunley 3y ago

@dang this looks like a fairly editorialized take on the title: Original: "EuroRust 2023 Reflections: What's a Conference For?" Current: "A bitter commentary on EuroRust conf"

culebron21 3y ago
Reminded me of an old cartoon: Scientist: I'm sick of you, filthy journalists! Get off!!! News title: Scientist Assaults a Journalist
culebron21 3y ago
An idea for LLM AI startup: editorializer (translates titles in journalistish), and clickbaitizer (translates titles in present day internetmediatish).
kunley 3y ago
Or rather: a realistic take, because the article is bitter. This kind of headline edit is done assuming the maturity of the readers: they can see by themselves if the title matches the content and act accordingly. The fact that the original author decided to soften his message in the headline, doesn't change the content. So, as long as there is free speech, one can submit link like I did. You're also free to complain, and yet others have right to disagree with you.
- mkl 3y ago
  No, it's putting your own opinion in the title, and it's against the HN guidelines: "please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize" (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)
  - kunley 3y ago
    I disagree, I merely put back original author's opinion he stated in the article. Saw that many times here, btw.
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      The original author wrote their opinion in their own title. You wrote your own opinion. I read the same article and did not percieve bitterness even though it was critical. So now what? This is probably exactly why there is simply a rule about editorializing that applies the same in all cases and leaves no room for creative interpretation. It doesn't matter which of us is right this way. You can still think your perception is OBVIOUSLY the sane one, and so can I. And the cherry on top is needing to have such a thing explained while presuming to lecture anyone else about maturity. Chefs kiss right there.
      - kunley 3y ago
        Mmm, I will just address the last paragraph as I am a bit in a hurry, you are mistaken thinking I am lecturing anyone about maturity... exactly the opposite, I strongly believe in people's genuine maturity and that they don't need much control over such trivia as the headline for example. They can judge by themselves.
        Brian_K_White 3y ago
        And I believe that replacing a title, especially without indicating so IN the new title somehow, is putting your words into someone else's mouth, which is failing of basic integrity. You could argue that applying one's own title is only adding commentary rather than editing, and so not a lack of integrity. But then we are back to square one that you wrote your opinion rather than the unadulterated facts. Or you could also argue that it is editing, putting words into someone else's mouth, since, there literally were words from the speaker, which you literally replaced with words from yourself, and you didn't indicate that these new words were yours with "I think" or other modifiers in your replacement title.

maegul 3y ago

Funny talking about the toxicity of social media as a factor behind recent incidents and bleakness when every other language or professional community has exactly the same social media landscape presumably without the same issues or to the same magnitude. Not that said toxicity doesn’t exist, but struggling with it more (?), and doing other things such as the keynote incident which did not occur on social media AFAIK indicate other/deeper cultural issues I’d say. These suggestions make sense to me though, all hands especially IMO … they can be a good way to force institutions to be grounded and can often be cringey for groups that have lost touch and the faith of their constituents.