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Luckily governments are not a monolithic and coherent block. France for example was an early backer of matrix.. So if the worst happens and a mandatory chat co

Luckily governments are not a monolithic and coherent block. France for example was an early backer of matrix.. So if the worst happens and a mandatory chat control will gets implemented by the government, then it is a good thing that other parts of the government helped making sure, there are working alternatives avaiable, that are not so easy to regulate.

MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
But isn't that precisely the problem with large supranational orgs like the EU, to which its member countries cede some of their sovereignty. Countries often HAVE to implement EU policy in their own laws, or else face sanctions. They can't just pick and choose.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Yes, but we as a society can then choose and pick decentral end to end encrypted solutions like matrix over centralised ones like whatsapp. And then they will have to back off, if enough people and companies are doing it (likely legal, through loopholes, only big services have to implement it). Or being fine to only censor whatsapp and the mainstream.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  for some issues it's the other way around: not all eu laws can be passed bc some countries vote against them. That's also the reason you can't vote out a country so you need to find compromises
Moldoteck 3y ago
AFAIK germany too uses some app with signal protocol
kmlx 3y ago
> France for example https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/data-retention-france-illegally-extends-blanket-mass-surveillance-of-the-entire-population/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/data-retention-france-illeg... > In a decree made public today [18. October 2022], French Prime Minister Élisabeth Borne has extended the temporary retention of communications data of all citizens in France for another year. The blanket retention obligation concerns identity data (surname, first name, date and place of birth, postal address(es), e-mail address(es), telephone number(s)) as well as payment information, connection data (IP addresses, port numbers, identification numbers of users and their devices, date, time and duration of each communication, data on supplementary services and their providers)
petre 3y ago
France has the shittiest laws concerning freedom of communications. To run an open WiFi you need a licence from the comms regulator. The good thing about it is that it's an ungovernable nation and they havd mass protests and strikes when the government does something unpopular.

MrBuddyCasino 3y ago

But isn't that precisely the problem with large supranational orgs like the EU, to which its member countries cede some of their sovereignty. Countries often HAVE to implement EU policy in their own laws, or else face sanctions. They can't just pick and choose.

hutzlibu 3y ago
Yes, but we as a society can then choose and pick decentral end to end encrypted solutions like matrix over centralised ones like whatsapp. And then they will have to back off, if enough people and companies are doing it (likely legal, through loopholes, only big services have to implement it). Or being fine to only censor whatsapp and the mainstream.
Moldoteck 3y ago
for some issues it's the other way around: not all eu laws can be passed bc some countries vote against them. That's also the reason you can't vote out a country so you need to find compromises

Moldoteck 3y ago

AFAIK germany too uses some app with signal protocol

kmlx 3y ago

> France for example https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/data-retention-france-illegally-extends-blanket-mass-surveillance-of-the-entire-population/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/data-retention-france-illeg... > In a decree made public today [18. October 2022], French Prime Minister Élisabeth Borne has extended the temporary retention of communications data of all citizens in France for another year. The blanket retention obligation concerns identity data (surname, first name, date and place of birth, postal address(es), e-mail address(es), telephone number(s)) as well as payment information, connection data (IP addresses, port numbers, identification numbers of users and their devices, date, time and duration of each communication, data on supplementary services and their providers)

petre 3y ago

France has the shittiest laws concerning freedom of communications. To run an open WiFi you need a licence from the comms regulator. The good thing about it is that it's an ungovernable nation and they havd mass protests and strikes when the government does something unpopular.