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> it was entirely clear, if not well before then, that the actual risk of the COVID infection itself to anyone in even reasonably good health was far below bei

> it was entirely clear, if not well before then, that the actual risk of the COVID infection itself to anyone in even reasonably good health was far below being injected with some experimental gene modification thing MRNA doesn't modify genes, that's not how MRNA works at all, it flows downstream from DNA. I would hope the so called high IQ critical thinkers would spend a few minutes on how MRNA, RNA, and DNA work. The whole thing reads like the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. MRNA is very interesting and works like programming, because the cell's machinery is like a Turing machine protein printer that reads MRNA like the Turing machine tape, so it's extra ironic that on Hacker News we have people with limited idea of how it even works, but are confident that it somehow 'edits genes'. Respiratory viruses are fundamentally bits of MRNA that tell cells to make virus copies. When you have heard of flu or cold viruses editing genes? How much percentage of people in western countries are in generally good health anyway? See how many more deaths happened in Biden counties vs. Trump's because of people falling for pseudo-scientific misinformation like you. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties-continue-to-suffer-far-higher-covid-death-tolls https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties... So many sad victims of self serving political misinformation. > Using level of educational attainment as a proxy for iq, not a perfect correlate of course, those with phds were indeed the least likely to fall for the injections among those with post secondary degrees according to the data I’ve seen. What data have you seen? Even in the self reported survey that was used for misinformation to mislead people like you, 75% of PhDs said they would vaccinate. https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/ https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-... Not to mention 95% of actual medical doctors in a survey. Derek Lowe had great articles on Covid throughout.

canoebuilder 3y ago
The modification is an addition not an edit, if that helps to clarify. Putting this particular mRNA, a gene, into your body modifies the set of genes in your body, because now there is a new one, and it evokes a response in a way that eating the dna, also genes, of asparagus or a cow does not. The point stands, at that point, fear mongering aside, the Covid risk profile was pretty well understood, the risk profile of the experimental gene therapy was not. Regardless of what you want to call it, it turns out to have been a bad idea for reasons of “original antigenic sin”, immune system disruptions due to heightened levels of IgG4 or some other factors leading to injected people becoming more susceptible to the virus, and the host of issues that may or may not be tied to the gene modifying but to the lipid delivery mechanism or something else, heart issues, fertility disruptions, shingles, Guillain–Barré syndrome, etc. etc. Whatever terminology you want to use the winning move was to not play the game. Do you know how many countries that once used them have now barred the use of the mRNA injections for at least a portion of their population? ————— IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/
nvm0n2 3y ago
> MRNA doesn't modify genes, that's not how MRNA works at all You are repeating how the tech works in theory, not how the vaccines work in reality. In reality, the vaccines can do this. That's because the "process 2" manufacturing that was switched to post-approval scales much better but yields vaccines heavily contaminated with DNA, not just RNA. If you smuggle DNA into cells using the lipid nanoparticle tricks then it can be incorporated into your own DNA yielding never ending spike protein production and immune tolerance. There's testimony by a scientist who sequenced residue from vials and discovered the problem here, but it was suspected even before that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWHhrHiiTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWHhrHiiTY He says he would no longer take the vaccines knowing what he knows now. There are a whole bunch of case reports where this appears to have happened. Patients who end up always testing positive for spike protein for example, despite not being infected with SARS-CoV-2. > The whole thing reads like the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. It's actually the opposite. Over-educated people constantly confuse the map for the terrain due to a naive belief in the angel-like nature of everyone in the same social class as themselves. Then they assume anyone who disagrees must be misinformed. The people who are most pro-COVID vaccine are, in my experience, people with degrees who also know very little about it beyond what they've been told by pop sci media and public health authorities. The idea that what they've told might not be true is just inconceivable to them, and the luxury belief of intellectual superiority to the rubes is just too tempting to pass up. People who are skeptical are engaging directly with the collected evidence, not just what theory says that evidence should be.
- morita2342 3y ago
  So, why is this downvoted? This is the current state of scientific investigation, if you like it or not. Maybe one of those who has been emotionalised confronted with this information can explain.

canoebuilder 3y ago

The modification is an addition not an edit, if that helps to clarify. Putting this particular mRNA, a gene, into your body modifies the set of genes in your body, because now there is a new one, and it evokes a response in a way that eating the dna, also genes, of asparagus or a cow does not. The point stands, at that point, fear mongering aside, the Covid risk profile was pretty well understood, the risk profile of the experimental gene therapy was not. Regardless of what you want to call it, it turns out to have been a bad idea for reasons of “original antigenic sin”, immune system disruptions due to heightened levels of IgG4 or some other factors leading to injected people becoming more susceptible to the virus, and the host of issues that may or may not be tied to the gene modifying but to the lipid delivery mechanism or something else, heart issues, fertility disruptions, shingles, Guillain–Barré syndrome, etc. etc. Whatever terminology you want to use the winning move was to not play the game. Do you know how many countries that once used them have now barred the use of the mRNA injections for at least a portion of their population? ————— IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/

nvm0n2 3y ago

> MRNA doesn't modify genes, that's not how MRNA works at all You are repeating how the tech works in theory, not how the vaccines work in reality. In reality, the vaccines can do this. That's because the "process 2" manufacturing that was switched to post-approval scales much better but yields vaccines heavily contaminated with DNA, not just RNA. If you smuggle DNA into cells using the lipid nanoparticle tricks then it can be incorporated into your own DNA yielding never ending spike protein production and immune tolerance. There's testimony by a scientist who sequenced residue from vials and discovered the problem here, but it was suspected even before that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWHhrHiiTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWHhrHiiTY He says he would no longer take the vaccines knowing what he knows now. There are a whole bunch of case reports where this appears to have happened. Patients who end up always testing positive for spike protein for example, despite not being infected with SARS-CoV-2. > The whole thing reads like the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. It's actually the opposite. Over-educated people constantly confuse the map for the terrain due to a naive belief in the angel-like nature of everyone in the same social class as themselves. Then they assume anyone who disagrees must be misinformed. The people who are most pro-COVID vaccine are, in my experience, people with degrees who also know very little about it beyond what they've been told by pop sci media and public health authorities. The idea that what they've told might not be true is just inconceivable to them, and the luxury belief of intellectual superiority to the rubes is just too tempting to pass up. People who are skeptical are engaging directly with the collected evidence, not just what theory says that evidence should be.

morita2342 3y ago
So, why is this downvoted? This is the current state of scientific investigation, if you like it or not. Maybe one of those who has been emotionalised confronted with this information can explain.