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>like you'd probably already been ignoring the other rules, playing down the whole thing on a subconscious level. Something like that. It makes perfect sense to

>like you'd probably already been ignoring the other rules, playing down the whole thing on a subconscious level. Something like that. It makes perfect sense to me in a weird way that's hard to describe the precise causality of Yeah I get what you’re saying, something like sunk cost, or inertia, though not exactly, as you say. To me, leaving aside the positing here of extroversion, I think the strongest correlation was something like an iq test, or critical thinking test. At the time of the “you must get injected, and if you don’t you’re despicable, and if you refuse we’re going to hold you down and stick it in you” campaign it was entirely clear, if not well before then, that the actual risk of the COVID infection itself to anyone in even reasonably good health was far below being injected with some experimental gene modification thing. I think most people above a certain iq percentile looking into the method of proposed action that was presumed to be effective, which of course wasn’t, thought “WTF why would I want to experimentally modify my genes in response to this? That seems insane.” Then there was the outright lying in claims being bandied about. The initial studies in no way showed that it stopped infection, transmission, or death. But that’s all you ever heard. In December 2020 I saw a short news report from a hospital in France I think covering some of the earliest injections. Somewhere towards the end of that report it was said “It’s a vaccine just like any other vaccine.” WTF I thought, that’s exactly the opposite of what it is, it is a “vaccine” completely different from any other. Then by July 2021 the buzzwords had shifted to calling things like serious heart issues (any heart issue, is a serious issue) mild. “Oh they’re just having some mild heart issues, no biggie.” It was a completely egregious, evil abomination all round. Back to the correlations, it didn’t really follow iq linearly like income or health outcomes or other socioeconomic data tends to, it was more the reserve of the far extents of the bell curve as shown in the mid wit bell curve meme. Using level of educational attainment as a proxy for iq, not a perfect correlate of course, those with phds were indeed the least likely to fall for the injections among those with post secondary degrees according to the data I’ve seen. Then a somewhat separate matter was those who were put in the ghastly situation of being made to choose between their livelihoods, or seeing their family, or whatnot, and being injected. I can see some high iq critical thinkers making tough decisions under that level of coercion.

belltaco 3y ago
> it was entirely clear, if not well before then, that the actual risk of the COVID infection itself to anyone in even reasonably good health was far below being injected with some experimental gene modification thing MRNA doesn't modify genes, that's not how MRNA works at all, it flows downstream from DNA. I would hope the so called high IQ critical thinkers would spend a few minutes on how MRNA, RNA, and DNA work. The whole thing reads like the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. MRNA is very interesting and works like programming, because the cell's machinery is like a Turing machine protein printer that reads MRNA like the Turing machine tape, so it's extra ironic that on Hacker News we have people with limited idea of how it even works, but are confident that it somehow 'edits genes'. Respiratory viruses are fundamentally bits of MRNA that tell cells to make virus copies. When you have heard of flu or cold viruses editing genes? How much percentage of people in western countries are in generally good health anyway? See how many more deaths happened in Biden counties vs. Trump's because of people falling for pseudo-scientific misinformation like you. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties-continue-to-suffer-far-higher-covid-death-tolls https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties... So many sad victims of self serving political misinformation. > Using level of educational attainment as a proxy for iq, not a perfect correlate of course, those with phds were indeed the least likely to fall for the injections among those with post secondary degrees according to the data I’ve seen. What data have you seen? Even in the self reported survey that was used for misinformation to mislead people like you, 75% of PhDs said they would vaccinate. https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/ https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-... Not to mention 95% of actual medical doctors in a survey. Derek Lowe had great articles on Covid throughout.
- canoebuilder 3y ago
  The modification is an addition not an edit, if that helps to clarify. Putting this particular mRNA, a gene, into your body modifies the set of genes in your body, because now there is a new one, and it evokes a response in a way that eating the dna, also genes, of asparagus or a cow does not. The point stands, at that point, fear mongering aside, the Covid risk profile was pretty well understood, the risk profile of the experimental gene therapy was not. Regardless of what you want to call it, it turns out to have been a bad idea for reasons of “original antigenic sin”, immune system disruptions due to heightened levels of IgG4 or some other factors leading to injected people becoming more susceptible to the virus, and the host of issues that may or may not be tied to the gene modifying but to the lipid delivery mechanism or something else, heart issues, fertility disruptions, shingles, Guillain–Barré syndrome, etc. etc. Whatever terminology you want to use the winning move was to not play the game. Do you know how many countries that once used them have now barred the use of the mRNA injections for at least a portion of their population? ————— IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/

belltaco 3y ago

> it was entirely clear, if not well before then, that the actual risk of the COVID infection itself to anyone in even reasonably good health was far below being injected with some experimental gene modification thing MRNA doesn't modify genes, that's not how MRNA works at all, it flows downstream from DNA. I would hope the so called high IQ critical thinkers would spend a few minutes on how MRNA, RNA, and DNA work. The whole thing reads like the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. MRNA is very interesting and works like programming, because the cell's machinery is like a Turing machine protein printer that reads MRNA like the Turing machine tape, so it's extra ironic that on Hacker News we have people with limited idea of how it even works, but are confident that it somehow 'edits genes'. Respiratory viruses are fundamentally bits of MRNA that tell cells to make virus copies. When you have heard of flu or cold viruses editing genes? How much percentage of people in western countries are in generally good health anyway? See how many more deaths happened in Biden counties vs. Trump's because of people falling for pseudo-scientific misinformation like you. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties-continue-to-suffer-far-higher-covid-death-tolls https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties... So many sad victims of self serving political misinformation. > Using level of educational attainment as a proxy for iq, not a perfect correlate of course, those with phds were indeed the least likely to fall for the injections among those with post secondary degrees according to the data I’ve seen. What data have you seen? Even in the self reported survey that was used for misinformation to mislead people like you, 75% of PhDs said they would vaccinate. https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/ https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-... Not to mention 95% of actual medical doctors in a survey. Derek Lowe had great articles on Covid throughout.

canoebuilder 3y ago
The modification is an addition not an edit, if that helps to clarify. Putting this particular mRNA, a gene, into your body modifies the set of genes in your body, because now there is a new one, and it evokes a response in a way that eating the dna, also genes, of asparagus or a cow does not. The point stands, at that point, fear mongering aside, the Covid risk profile was pretty well understood, the risk profile of the experimental gene therapy was not. Regardless of what you want to call it, it turns out to have been a bad idea for reasons of “original antigenic sin”, immune system disruptions due to heightened levels of IgG4 or some other factors leading to injected people becoming more susceptible to the virus, and the host of issues that may or may not be tied to the gene modifying but to the lipid delivery mechanism or something else, heart issues, fertility disruptions, shingles, Guillain–Barré syndrome, etc. etc. Whatever terminology you want to use the winning move was to not play the game. Do you know how many countries that once used them have now barred the use of the mRNA injections for at least a portion of their population? ————— IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/