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A working Firefox Windows 8 Metro prototype, status update 3

45 points by vgnet 15y ago

barranger 15y ago
Glad to hear that Firefox is looking at providing a Metro Themed browser (even if it's just to get away from IE), but looking at the icon set from the pictures, I think they are missing the boat on the Metro style.
- monkeyfacebag 15y ago
  To be fair, he did qualify it as a design in progress. That said, I think standing out from the pack is far from the worst thing they could do. I love the live tiles idea, but the rigid design language gives everything a very "samey" look that I think could impact the usability of Start screens with lots of applications. How many one color icons will it take before they all start to look alike?
  - barranger 15y ago
    My comment was more on the actual nav bar and the icons contained within. Especially for a browser, I really don't think that the nav bar is where you want to be standing out. Look and feel the way the user expects and get out of the way. Where the browser should be differentiating itself, is displaying web content as fast and as well as possible. In terms of the look of the tile, I'm not entirely sure I agree with you, however I certainly don't feel strongly enough about it to argue.
- mbrubeck 15y ago
  The design work hasn't even started; this prototype is built with the same front-end code and theme as Firefox for Android. (Actually it's using a mish-mash of two different Android themes, because of a quirk in the way the prototype is built.) The icons in the prototype were all designed for Android, and all will be replaced by real Windows/Metro icons in the final product. [Usual discosure: I am a mobile Firefox developer.]
  - barranger 15y ago
    That's good to know. Is the front end code that is coming from Firefox for Android just for the windowing gui or is the rendering engine the same as well?
    - mbrubeck 15y ago
      The rendering engine code is shared across all platforms (Android, Linux, Mac, Windows, etc.). The "mobile" front-end code is currently used by Firefox for Android/Maemo/MeeGo. It's separate from the "desktop" front-end code used by Firefox on Windows/Mac/Linux.
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- krakensden 15y ago
  This is an announcement that they finished porting it to the Metro environment, not that they finished their Metro version. There are more things to life than graphic design.
densh 15y ago
Looks like slightly themed version of current Firefox Mobile running on a tablet: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Firefox-Android-Tablets.jpg http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Fire...
- dmbass 15y ago
  TFA says that the prototype is based on the Fennec (Firefox Mobile) XUL code. But since it's so early and so ugly, I expect the styling to become more Metro-y as development progresses.
milesoc 15y ago
Firefox on android has felt very disappointing to me; I'm really interested in seeing whether this effort can do a little better to enhance the WP7 experience. (I use Android currently, may look to switch off, to which platform I don't know, in the next year or so)
- drivebyacct2 15y ago
  Try the nightlies. I have no idea why on Earth they keep the stable build in the Market, it's god awful compared to the nightly builds. They're ... actually usable.
  - avar 15y ago
    Here's a link to install the nightlies: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/Android#Download_Nightly https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/Android#Download_N...
  - CrazedGeek 15y ago
    I can give you one good reason: they're unstable. Nightly crashes quite a lot on my phone, but Stable (and even Beta) are rock-solid. (Also, and this is just my opinion, the Stable interface is better than the Nightly interface. When it works, Nightly's a lot faster though.)
jules 15y ago
How did you get Javascript to work? As far as I know Metro apps cannot load or execute code dynamically (e.g. you can't use LoadLibrary or VirtualProtect). Are you using a Javascript interpreter rather than a JIT? Or are you using the Microsoft Javascript engine?
- mbrubeck 15y ago
  Microsoft has made an exception to the Metro sandboxing rules for hybrid Metro/desktop browsers (including Internet Explorer): http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/129/ http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/129/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Windows_8_Integration#Internet_Explorer_10_vs_Regular_Metro_Apps https://wiki.mozilla.org/Windows_8_Integration#Internet_Expl... http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/windows-8-browsers-the-only-metro-apps-to-get-desktop-power-1073930 http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/win...
- vgnet 15y ago
  They are building a "Metro style enabled desktop browser" (see http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/02/building-firefox-for.html http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/02/building...) which has a lot more power than Metro apps.

45 points by vgnet 15y ago

Glad to hear that Firefox is looking at providing a Metro Themed browser (even if it's just to get away from IE), but looking at the icon set from the pictures, I think they are missing the boat on the Metro style.

monkeyfacebag 15y ago
To be fair, he did qualify it as a design in progress. That said, I think standing out from the pack is far from the worst thing they could do. I love the live tiles idea, but the rigid design language gives everything a very "samey" look that I think could impact the usability of Start screens with lots of applications. How many one color icons will it take before they all start to look alike?
- barranger 15y ago
  My comment was more on the actual nav bar and the icons contained within. Especially for a browser, I really don't think that the nav bar is where you want to be standing out. Look and feel the way the user expects and get out of the way. Where the browser should be differentiating itself, is displaying web content as fast and as well as possible. In terms of the look of the tile, I'm not entirely sure I agree with you, however I certainly don't feel strongly enough about it to argue.
mbrubeck 15y ago
The design work hasn't even started; this prototype is built with the same front-end code and theme as Firefox for Android. (Actually it's using a mish-mash of two different Android themes, because of a quirk in the way the prototype is built.) The icons in the prototype were all designed for Android, and all will be replaced by real Windows/Metro icons in the final product. [Usual discosure: I am a mobile Firefox developer.]
- barranger 15y ago
  That's good to know. Is the front end code that is coming from Firefox for Android just for the windowing gui or is the rendering engine the same as well?
  - mbrubeck 15y ago
    The rendering engine code is shared across all platforms (Android, Linux, Mac, Windows, etc.). The "mobile" front-end code is currently used by Firefox for Android/Maemo/MeeGo. It's separate from the "desktop" front-end code used by Firefox on Windows/Mac/Linux.
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krakensden 15y ago
This is an announcement that they finished porting it to the Metro environment, not that they finished their Metro version. There are more things to life than graphic design.

densh 15y ago

Looks like slightly themed version of current Firefox Mobile running on a tablet: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Firefox-Android-Tablets.jpg http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Fire...

dmbass 15y ago
TFA says that the prototype is based on the Fennec (Firefox Mobile) XUL code. But since it's so early and so ugly, I expect the styling to become more Metro-y as development progresses.

milesoc 15y ago

Firefox on android has felt very disappointing to me; I'm really interested in seeing whether this effort can do a little better to enhance the WP7 experience. (I use Android currently, may look to switch off, to which platform I don't know, in the next year or so)

drivebyacct2 15y ago
Try the nightlies. I have no idea why on Earth they keep the stable build in the Market, it's god awful compared to the nightly builds. They're ... actually usable.
- avar 15y ago
  Here's a link to install the nightlies: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/Android#Download_Nightly https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/Android#Download_N...
- CrazedGeek 15y ago
  I can give you one good reason: they're unstable. Nightly crashes quite a lot on my phone, but Stable (and even Beta) are rock-solid. (Also, and this is just my opinion, the Stable interface is better than the Nightly interface. When it works, Nightly's a lot faster though.)

jules 15y ago

How did you get Javascript to work? As far as I know Metro apps cannot load or execute code dynamically (e.g. you can't use LoadLibrary or VirtualProtect). Are you using a Javascript interpreter rather than a JIT? Or are you using the Microsoft Javascript engine?

mbrubeck 15y ago
Microsoft has made an exception to the Metro sandboxing rules for hybrid Metro/desktop browsers (including Internet Explorer): http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/129/ http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/129/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Windows_8_Integration#Internet_Explorer_10_vs_Regular_Metro_Apps https://wiki.mozilla.org/Windows_8_Integration#Internet_Expl... http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/windows-8-browsers-the-only-metro-apps-to-get-desktop-power-1073930 http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/win...
vgnet 15y ago
They are building a "Metro style enabled desktop browser" (see http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/02/building-firefox-for.html http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/02/building...) which has a lot more power than Metro apps.