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> The land in that area is rock with about an inch of soil on it Because people abusing of wildfires and a spiral of overgrazing = more wildfires required, tha

> The land in that area is rock with about an inch of soil on it Because people abusing of wildfires and a spiral of overgrazing = more wildfires required, that is apparently a behavior as infectious as it was yesterday. Lack of soil is not an unsolvable problem. Soil can be moved from A to B so we can trow technology at this (and a lot of big shrubs can deal with poor soil, leading the way to bigger trees). The problem is the lack of will, and the never ending presence of criminal activity. If there is cattle in the area, there is a dictatorship of cattle.

extraduder_ire 3y ago
There is a long history of human activity destroying the quality of land, and therefore ruining anything they hoped to get out of it. The Céide Fields[0] in Ireland are the example that sticks in my head the most. Both because something like it is included in Irish mythological cycles, and because of how it came to be known to the archaeological community. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9ide_Fields https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9ide_Fields
gambiting 3y ago
>>Lack of soil is not an unsolvable problem. Soil can be moved from A to B so we can trow technology at this Ok, so no offence but that tells me pretty clearly that you've not been there, moorlands are MASSIVE, the idea that you could move soil there to plant forests is firmly within some very poorly written fiction. >>The problem is the lack of will No, it's not. Again, go to Blanchland and Haltwhistle, spend a few days walking the paths and tell me again that this seems like a doable project. >>and the never ending presence of criminal activity What are you on about, what criminal activity. It's literally the most sparsely populated region in England, who commits these crimes and what are they? The grouse? >>If there is cattle in the area, there is a dictatorship of cattle. There isn't(or there's very few of them), sheep are the preferred animal to graze there, the sheep didn't shape the geological process that created this area though. I feel like I'm arguing with someone who says that the only reason why there's no forests in the Sahara is the lack of will and not the physical conditions that dictate what the area is.
- pvaldes 3y ago
  > moorlands are MASSIVE This tree used just a tiny part of them. I don't want to to replace the valuable moorlands by Acer pseudoplatanus or plant trees in an archeological site, but a few thousands years ago there was more tree cover here. Having space for just one tree is in itself a problem that should be fixed. We could put 100 trees in the same location, multiply the number of suitable places to nest by 100 and the ecosystem of moorlands would still have lots of space to exist, plus the bonus of boosting the local biodiversity That would be cheap and perfectly doable
  - gambiting 3y ago
    You have to excuse me, but you lost me - I literally don't understand what point you're trying to make.
    - pvaldes 3y ago
      Lack of soil is not a cause, is a consequence This type of tree seeds itself very generously, if we don't see regeneration is because the return of the forest is blocked forever by grazers (aka cattle).

extraduder_ire 3y ago

There is a long history of human activity destroying the quality of land, and therefore ruining anything they hoped to get out of it. The Céide Fields[0] in Ireland are the example that sticks in my head the most. Both because something like it is included in Irish mythological cycles, and because of how it came to be known to the archaeological community. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9ide_Fields https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9ide_Fields

gambiting 3y ago

>>Lack of soil is not an unsolvable problem. Soil can be moved from A to B so we can trow technology at this Ok, so no offence but that tells me pretty clearly that you've not been there, moorlands are MASSIVE, the idea that you could move soil there to plant forests is firmly within some very poorly written fiction. >>The problem is the lack of will No, it's not. Again, go to Blanchland and Haltwhistle, spend a few days walking the paths and tell me again that this seems like a doable project. >>and the never ending presence of criminal activity What are you on about, what criminal activity. It's literally the most sparsely populated region in England, who commits these crimes and what are they? The grouse? >>If there is cattle in the area, there is a dictatorship of cattle. There isn't(or there's very few of them), sheep are the preferred animal to graze there, the sheep didn't shape the geological process that created this area though. I feel like I'm arguing with someone who says that the only reason why there's no forests in the Sahara is the lack of will and not the physical conditions that dictate what the area is.

pvaldes 3y ago
> moorlands are MASSIVE This tree used just a tiny part of them. I don't want to to replace the valuable moorlands by Acer pseudoplatanus or plant trees in an archeological site, but a few thousands years ago there was more tree cover here. Having space for just one tree is in itself a problem that should be fixed. We could put 100 trees in the same location, multiply the number of suitable places to nest by 100 and the ecosystem of moorlands would still have lots of space to exist, plus the bonus of boosting the local biodiversity That would be cheap and perfectly doable
- gambiting 3y ago
  You have to excuse me, but you lost me - I literally don't understand what point you're trying to make.
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    Lack of soil is not a cause, is a consequence This type of tree seeds itself very generously, if we don't see regeneration is because the return of the forest is blocked forever by grazers (aka cattle).