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Any of the Buckley interviews are legendary. It’s amazing to think that such high-quality discussion was on public television. It has all moved to YouTube now,

Any of the Buckley interviews are legendary. It’s amazing to think that such high-quality discussion was on public television. It has all moved to YouTube now, but everyone is in their safe space instead of having a shared commons.

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ttfkam 3y ago
It was a debate, and Buckley got his ass handed to him. Soundly. Baldwin literally wiped the floor with him, and everyone there knew it. It was legendary for Buckley only insofar as he got the debate version of a royal beat down in public.
- nervlord 3y ago
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- timeagain 3y ago
  It is frustrating as a viewer in the present moment to see the rhetorical tricks that Buckley plays against his guests. Surely he was playing to his conservative audience members but a lot of his points seem indefensible to my modern ear. the best example I think being a protracted interrogation on Malcolm X’s “real name”. It’s not that asking the question itself it is out of bounds, but surely Buckley knew that Malcolm X would not budge on this topic and the whole thing was just fodder for his viewers to see Malcolm as obstinant. Somehow it’s even worse than the ham fisted strategies Fox News employes now like just talking over an interviewee, because Buckley was /so smart/.
- refurb 3y ago
  You're not serious? Baldwin's ideas haven't stood the test of time. The left-wing radicalism of the 60's fizzled out due a failure in the competition of ideas.
  - UncleMeat 3y ago
    Ah yes, the competition of ideas is when the FBI murders Huey Newton and the state imprisons war protestors for burning draft cards.
  - greenie_beans 3y ago
    in what ways have they not stood the test of time? baldwin and his contemporaries were influential to the civil rights movement, which had a concrete impact on improving the nation. > The left-wing radicalism of the 60's fizzled out due a failure in the competition of ideas. i don't think it was "the competition of ideas" that caused them to fizzle out. unless you consider state propaganda to be a part of that? and i don't think it's fizzled out. the new left is the dominant mode of american leftism at the current moment in time.
  - zeruch 3y ago
    Which of his ideas exactly, have not stood up?
    - refurb 3y ago
      Reality of the American Dream? Minorities have made more economic progress in the US than many white Americans. Let's start with that. The other arguments about systemic racism are the same arguments pushed by the radical left today, I'd hardly call it "widely accepted".
      - zeruch 3y ago
        Thanks for the clown-shoe polemic. I left the GOP because of folks like you. Don't bother replying as I suspect I could map out the quality in advance.
        refurb 3y ago
        The lack of actual rebuttal, combined with an ad hominem, tells me all that I need to know about the intellectual rigor of your political beliefs.
UncleMeat 3y ago
The very first thing that Buckley did in the public eye was to demand an intellectual safe space for people like him at Yale and for the professors he deemed too left wing and not sufficiently Christian to be fired.
- salynchnew 3y ago
  It was the worst and the most embarassing of the "campus moral panic" texts.

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ttfkam 3y ago

It was a debate, and Buckley got his ass handed to him. Soundly. Baldwin literally wiped the floor with him, and everyone there knew it. It was legendary for Buckley only insofar as he got the debate version of a royal beat down in public.

nervlord 3y ago
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timeagain 3y ago
It is frustrating as a viewer in the present moment to see the rhetorical tricks that Buckley plays against his guests. Surely he was playing to his conservative audience members but a lot of his points seem indefensible to my modern ear. the best example I think being a protracted interrogation on Malcolm X’s “real name”. It’s not that asking the question itself it is out of bounds, but surely Buckley knew that Malcolm X would not budge on this topic and the whole thing was just fodder for his viewers to see Malcolm as obstinant. Somehow it’s even worse than the ham fisted strategies Fox News employes now like just talking over an interviewee, because Buckley was /so smart/.
refurb 3y ago
You're not serious? Baldwin's ideas haven't stood the test of time. The left-wing radicalism of the 60's fizzled out due a failure in the competition of ideas.
- UncleMeat 3y ago
  Ah yes, the competition of ideas is when the FBI murders Huey Newton and the state imprisons war protestors for burning draft cards.
- greenie_beans 3y ago
  in what ways have they not stood the test of time? baldwin and his contemporaries were influential to the civil rights movement, which had a concrete impact on improving the nation. > The left-wing radicalism of the 60's fizzled out due a failure in the competition of ideas. i don't think it was "the competition of ideas" that caused them to fizzle out. unless you consider state propaganda to be a part of that? and i don't think it's fizzled out. the new left is the dominant mode of american leftism at the current moment in time.
- zeruch 3y ago
  Which of his ideas exactly, have not stood up?
  - refurb 3y ago
    Reality of the American Dream? Minorities have made more economic progress in the US than many white Americans. Let's start with that. The other arguments about systemic racism are the same arguments pushed by the radical left today, I'd hardly call it "widely accepted".
    - zeruch 3y ago
      Thanks for the clown-shoe polemic. I left the GOP because of folks like you. Don't bother replying as I suspect I could map out the quality in advance.
      - refurb 3y ago
        The lack of actual rebuttal, combined with an ad hominem, tells me all that I need to know about the intellectual rigor of your political beliefs.

UncleMeat 3y ago

The very first thing that Buckley did in the public eye was to demand an intellectual safe space for people like him at Yale and for the professors he deemed too left wing and not sufficiently Christian to be fired.

salynchnew 3y ago
It was the worst and the most embarassing of the "campus moral panic" texts.