I'd agree vertical margin collapse rules have some counterintuitive cases. And I've definitely seen (and used) something like: h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 { margin:

I'd agree vertical margin collapse rules have some counterintuitive cases. And I've definitely seen (and used) something like: h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 { margin: 0 0 1em 0; } which fits with the expectation that headers don't need to kick off with a vertical margin along with overflow containment rules to manage that behavior. I don't know if I've seen using padding values to do margin's job lead to less pain.