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It's been astonishing to watch most of the western world's leaders shrug their shoulders at what Israel has been doing. It's very easy to condemn both Hamas, an

It's been astonishing to watch most of the western world's leaders shrug their shoulders at what Israel has been doing. It's very easy to condemn both Hamas, and Israel's response in terms of the siege, forced evacuation etc. They don't need to pick a side. If it continues to escalate, history will not judge them kindly.

tguvot 3y ago
>and Israel's response in terms of the siege, forced evacuation etc. i saw interesting "exercise" on reddit. i suggest to repeat it here. you are in charge of country that been bombarded for 20 years. last weekend "they" blew up holes in fences, killed 300 policeman/soldier. murdered/burned/tortured/raped/etc 1300 civilians (it's like 30000 if we extrapolate it to US population) and took 150 (probably 2000 if we scale to usa size) hostages and run away to hide in tunnels below cities and continue to shoot rockets into all cities that they can . what are your actions ?
- basisword 3y ago
  Fortunately I don't have to make that decision and don't pretend to know what the right decision is. But I don't need to know the right to decision to know the unethical ones when I see them.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    you avoiding "the game". it's easy to say that it's not ethical decision (given the circumstances, how much ethics could be in play). could you please write 5 bullet points about how this state should have reacted. You can make those 5 bullets also ethical, if you think that it's a must
    - ASalazarMX 3y ago
      Small detail: Palestine didn't attack Israel, because as Israel frequently insists, Palestine is not a country. Hamas attacked Israel. Israel shouldn't bomb civilians, it should use their vast intelligence and military capabilities to hunt Hamas, a de facto terrorist group, and a pathetic one at that. It's very unlikely Israel didn't have intelligence on the impending attack, given they're next door, and it was reported that Hamas was openly digging up water pipes to make rockets. It gave a good reason to a disproportionate retaliation, though. I don't like that they've served a narrative where they're the victims, and the media is distributing it with gusto. They're comparing themselves with Ukraine! Does that mean Palestine is Russia? I'd prefer that their leaders were more straight with their intentions, the cognitive dissonance between their discourse and their actions is hard to digest.
      - tguvot 3y ago
        we play the game of "what would you do" not "what you wouldn't do". it's easy to have high moral ground and list all the wrong things. it's hard to actually make decision. Even in this "game" And actually Ukraine compares itself to Israel. There were Israeli flags all over Ukraine and Zelensky want to arrive to Israel. PS. this pathetic terrorist group has 20000-40000 thousands fighters.it shot 5k rockets in 1 week. Unknown how many people raided Israel, but there are around 1000-1500 bodies left behind
      - raxxorraxor 3y ago
        Small detail: They had the chance for a country numerous times but rejected it and demanded Israels destruction. Second: Th UNRWA was caught creating worse propaganda than the PA (and that is a high bar already). It should be dissolved and leaders should be held accountable and face trial. There are UN documents about that, you can look it up.
- megous 3y ago
  Of course I kill and injure millions (just extrapolating to US size) and put the whole country under siege to make everyone drink unfit water, get diarrhea, to force them to need even more unfit water to stay alive, so that everyone dies. I'd also disable all their wastewater treatment plants. I'll also bomb their hospitals, so if some innocents try to shelter there, I kill them by thousands, especially those that are already injured and can't do anything. I'd also demonize them in the media, attack everyone that tries to protect them or provide them aid. Because fuck them all. That's what I'd do if I were Israel. /s
  - tguvot 3y ago
    it's interesting how nobody wants to play this game.
    - megous 3y ago
      Ponting out real suffering of Palestinian people via sarcasm is a game to you. Ok.

tguvot 3y ago

>and Israel's response in terms of the siege, forced evacuation etc. i saw interesting "exercise" on reddit. i suggest to repeat it here. you are in charge of country that been bombarded for 20 years. last weekend "they" blew up holes in fences, killed 300 policeman/soldier. murdered/burned/tortured/raped/etc 1300 civilians (it's like 30000 if we extrapolate it to US population) and took 150 (probably 2000 if we scale to usa size) hostages and run away to hide in tunnels below cities and continue to shoot rockets into all cities that they can . what are your actions ?

basisword 3y ago
Fortunately I don't have to make that decision and don't pretend to know what the right decision is. But I don't need to know the right to decision to know the unethical ones when I see them.
- tguvot 3y ago
  you avoiding "the game". it's easy to say that it's not ethical decision (given the circumstances, how much ethics could be in play). could you please write 5 bullet points about how this state should have reacted. You can make those 5 bullets also ethical, if you think that it's a must
  - ASalazarMX 3y ago
    Small detail: Palestine didn't attack Israel, because as Israel frequently insists, Palestine is not a country. Hamas attacked Israel. Israel shouldn't bomb civilians, it should use their vast intelligence and military capabilities to hunt Hamas, a de facto terrorist group, and a pathetic one at that. It's very unlikely Israel didn't have intelligence on the impending attack, given they're next door, and it was reported that Hamas was openly digging up water pipes to make rockets. It gave a good reason to a disproportionate retaliation, though. I don't like that they've served a narrative where they're the victims, and the media is distributing it with gusto. They're comparing themselves with Ukraine! Does that mean Palestine is Russia? I'd prefer that their leaders were more straight with their intentions, the cognitive dissonance between their discourse and their actions is hard to digest.
    - tguvot 3y ago
      we play the game of "what would you do" not "what you wouldn't do". it's easy to have high moral ground and list all the wrong things. it's hard to actually make decision. Even in this "game" And actually Ukraine compares itself to Israel. There were Israeli flags all over Ukraine and Zelensky want to arrive to Israel. PS. this pathetic terrorist group has 20000-40000 thousands fighters.it shot 5k rockets in 1 week. Unknown how many people raided Israel, but there are around 1000-1500 bodies left behind
    - raxxorraxor 3y ago
      Small detail: They had the chance for a country numerous times but rejected it and demanded Israels destruction. Second: Th UNRWA was caught creating worse propaganda than the PA (and that is a high bar already). It should be dissolved and leaders should be held accountable and face trial. There are UN documents about that, you can look it up.
megous 3y ago
Of course I kill and injure millions (just extrapolating to US size) and put the whole country under siege to make everyone drink unfit water, get diarrhea, to force them to need even more unfit water to stay alive, so that everyone dies. I'd also disable all their wastewater treatment plants. I'll also bomb their hospitals, so if some innocents try to shelter there, I kill them by thousands, especially those that are already injured and can't do anything. I'd also demonize them in the media, attack everyone that tries to protect them or provide them aid. Because fuck them all. That's what I'd do if I were Israel. /s
- tguvot 3y ago
  it's interesting how nobody wants to play this game.
  - megous 3y ago
    Ponting out real suffering of Palestinian people via sarcasm is a game to you. Ok.