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Is the motive behind the felling still unknown?

londons_explore 3y ago
The motive behind many crimes is never found out. Turns out that even if the accused did have a logical motive for committing the crime, they tend to not reveal it to investigators to have a better chance at not going to prison.
- oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
  Regardless of conviction, does having a motive for a crime typically increase the sentence? I would have thought it would be more likely to be the other way round.
  - ttyprintk 3y ago
    Not a lawyer, but I would expect sentencing considers at minimum the details of the conviction. Maybe at that stage a lack of explanation under pressure presents as a lack of remorse. But before conviction, not having a motive furthers certain defenses, and those possibilities can be useful in the context of plea bargaining.
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_a_a_a_ 3y ago
I'm guessing: for the lulz, because wind-up merchants don't just live online.
- jjtheblunt 3y ago
  Jargon question: what is “the lulz”?
  - ddejohn 3y ago
    Analogous to saying "for the laughs"
    - schoen 3y ago
      Although I'd say with something of a more malicious and/or mischievous connotation.
    - fsckboy 3y ago
      for the shadenfreude LOLs
  - willis936 3y ago
    Here is more than anyone should ever know about the lulz. https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Lulz https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Lulz
    - growingkittens 3y ago
      Posting a link to encyclopedia dramatica without a NSFW tag...for the lulz. (One of the first few images is of a ninja turtle raping a pokemon.)
jacquesm 3y ago
Two people have been arrested, and there is a ton of speculation but those suspected deny having anything to do with it. https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/europe/sycamore-gap-was-tree-felled-over-dispute-between-lumberjack-national-trust-and-500yo-catholic-order-c-12212221 https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/europe/sycamore-gap-was-t... (that's an Australian site but I've yet to see a UK one with the same level of balance and detail)
- cipheredStones 3y ago
  To summarize, the 69-year-old man who was arrested (in addition to a 16-year-old boy) is a former lumberjack who had been in a legal battle to continue leasing land that had been in his family for many years, and lost the case just before the tree was cut down.
- davidvaughan 3y ago
  Do I detect some Aussie tongue in cheek here... "Mr Renwick was quick to protest his innocence. “You’ve got the wrong feller,” he told reporters."
- darrenf 3y ago
  That is a UK source. Yes it's on Perth Now, but the byline clearly says it was by a Daily Mail journalist and here it is from the Mail on Sunday: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20231015/282368339307413 https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20231015/2...

The motive behind many crimes is never found out. Turns out that even if the accused did have a logical motive for committing the crime, they tend to not reveal it to investigators to have a better chance at not going to prison.

oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
Regardless of conviction, does having a motive for a crime typically increase the sentence? I would have thought it would be more likely to be the other way round.
- ttyprintk 3y ago
  Not a lawyer, but I would expect sentencing considers at minimum the details of the conviction. Maybe at that stage a lack of explanation under pressure presents as a lack of remorse. But before conviction, not having a motive furthers certain defenses, and those possibilities can be useful in the context of plea bargaining.
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_a_a_a_ 3y ago

I'm guessing: for the lulz, because wind-up merchants don't just live online.

jjtheblunt 3y ago
Jargon question: what is “the lulz”?
- ddejohn 3y ago
  Analogous to saying "for the laughs"
  - schoen 3y ago
    Although I'd say with something of a more malicious and/or mischievous connotation.
  - fsckboy 3y ago
    for the shadenfreude LOLs
- willis936 3y ago
  Here is more than anyone should ever know about the lulz. https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Lulz https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Lulz
  - growingkittens 3y ago
    Posting a link to encyclopedia dramatica without a NSFW tag...for the lulz. (One of the first few images is of a ninja turtle raping a pokemon.)

jacquesm 3y ago

Two people have been arrested, and there is a ton of speculation but those suspected deny having anything to do with it. https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/europe/sycamore-gap-was-tree-felled-over-dispute-between-lumberjack-national-trust-and-500yo-catholic-order-c-12212221 https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/europe/sycamore-gap-was-t... (that's an Australian site but I've yet to see a UK one with the same level of balance and detail)

cipheredStones 3y ago
To summarize, the 69-year-old man who was arrested (in addition to a 16-year-old boy) is a former lumberjack who had been in a legal battle to continue leasing land that had been in his family for many years, and lost the case just before the tree was cut down.
davidvaughan 3y ago
Do I detect some Aussie tongue in cheek here... "Mr Renwick was quick to protest his innocence. “You’ve got the wrong feller,” he told reporters."
darrenf 3y ago
That is a UK source. Yes it's on Perth Now, but the byline clearly says it was by a Daily Mail journalist and here it is from the Mail on Sunday: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20231015/282368339307413 https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20231015/2...