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Extraterritoriality is disturbs me - its an assertion of power without any kind of neutral arbitrator. It's like sending invoices randomly to any company and se

Extraterritoriality is disturbs me - its an assertion of power without any kind of neutral arbitrator. It's like sending invoices randomly to any company and see if they pay up. What if X says 'no' - X is banned in Australia? Fair enough I guess, if so

photonbeam 3y ago
They’re operating in Australia too, its not extraterritorial. If twitter doesnt like that they can leave the jurisdiction
- whatevaa 3y ago
  > If X, which no longer has a presence in Australia, fails to respond to the infringement notice and <...> From the article I get the impression they no longer do. Maybe it's just the article. Unless you mean leaving as blocking Australia IP's.
  - photonbeam 3y ago
    Yes they should block IPs for countries they dont want legal exposure to
manuelmoreale 3y ago
If a company is interacting with the citizens of a country, making their service available in said country, shouldn’t they follow the laws of that country? I don’t see why internet companies should be treated differently.
- throwaway60722 3y ago
  No. If I use services of a foreign company, I am the one who should follow the foreign law. I am the one who went out and used a foreign service, they didn't come to me.
  - manuelmoreale 3y ago
    That’s the tricky part about an internet company. Where are they located? If a US company ships you a physical product they need to follow local laws otherwise you can’t import it. But you think in the case of a digital product then the logic is reversed?
    - throwaway60722 3y ago
      No, they don't need to follow the local law. I can buy whatever I want from anywhere in the world and the company doesn't need to follow anything other than the law of their home. These are very significantly different cases: 1) a foreign customer buying 2) a foreign company selling In the first case, the company follows their home law only. On the second case they would have to follow the local law of the customer's country too
      - manuelmoreale 3y ago
        That is definitely not how the world works. Import/Export laws do exist for a reason. Your edit makes even less sense. 1) a foreign customer buying 2) a foreign company selling Those two happen at the same time. If I’m in Australia and I’m buying something from the US I am a foreign customer (relative to the company) and the company is also a foreign company (relative to the customer) If you want to export anything you have to follow the laws of the country you’re exporting to.
        throwaway60722 3y ago
        That is definitely how the world works. Import/export laws largely do not apply when it's the customer self-importing it for their own personal use. And that can include the seller sending it to them using FedEx or whatever, still self-import. Import/export laws mostly affect stuff that's going to be resold again, and involve local subsidiaries or contracted distributors. The two cases I listed do not happen at the same time. Try some other, more charitable interpretation. If I went out and bought something out of my country, the seller never tried to sell in my country and it makes no sense they would have to follow my local law. If the seller went out and started selling (doing marketing etc) in my country, that's a different story.

photonbeam 3y ago

They’re operating in Australia too, its not extraterritorial. If twitter doesnt like that they can leave the jurisdiction

whatevaa 3y ago
> If X, which no longer has a presence in Australia, fails to respond to the infringement notice and <...> From the article I get the impression they no longer do. Maybe it's just the article. Unless you mean leaving as blocking Australia IP's.
- photonbeam 3y ago
  Yes they should block IPs for countries they dont want legal exposure to

manuelmoreale 3y ago

If a company is interacting with the citizens of a country, making their service available in said country, shouldn’t they follow the laws of that country? I don’t see why internet companies should be treated differently.

throwaway60722 3y ago
No. If I use services of a foreign company, I am the one who should follow the foreign law. I am the one who went out and used a foreign service, they didn't come to me.
- manuelmoreale 3y ago
  That’s the tricky part about an internet company. Where are they located? If a US company ships you a physical product they need to follow local laws otherwise you can’t import it. But you think in the case of a digital product then the logic is reversed?
  - throwaway60722 3y ago
    No, they don't need to follow the local law. I can buy whatever I want from anywhere in the world and the company doesn't need to follow anything other than the law of their home. These are very significantly different cases: 1) a foreign customer buying 2) a foreign company selling In the first case, the company follows their home law only. On the second case they would have to follow the local law of the customer's country too
    - manuelmoreale 3y ago
      That is definitely not how the world works. Import/Export laws do exist for a reason. Your edit makes even less sense. 1) a foreign customer buying 2) a foreign company selling Those two happen at the same time. If I’m in Australia and I’m buying something from the US I am a foreign customer (relative to the company) and the company is also a foreign company (relative to the customer) If you want to export anything you have to follow the laws of the country you’re exporting to.
      - throwaway60722 3y ago
        That is definitely how the world works. Import/export laws largely do not apply when it's the customer self-importing it for their own personal use. And that can include the seller sending it to them using FedEx or whatever, still self-import. Import/export laws mostly affect stuff that's going to be resold again, and involve local subsidiaries or contracted distributors. The two cases I listed do not happen at the same time. Try some other, more charitable interpretation. If I went out and bought something out of my country, the seller never tried to sell in my country and it makes no sense they would have to follow my local law. If the seller went out and started selling (doing marketing etc) in my country, that's a different story.