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A.I. will definitely be used to scan the data

nextos 3y ago
It is very concerning. However, can they enforce this? How will they prevent me from e.g. connecting to a XMPP or a Signal server hidden behind Tor? IMHO, they will only be able to spy on regular citizens. Obviously, this is not a reason not to lobby against the law.
- Gud 3y ago
  1) they will fine meta/Apple/etc until they comply 2) they will fine FOSS developers until they comply 3) they will fine YOU until you comply
  - nextos 3y ago
    I don't think this is feasible if its only a EU-wide regulation. It is hard to prevent me or any regular user from downloading and running software. Are they going to block Git forges and repositories? They won't be able to see what my communications are, nor confirm what I am using if I tunnel all traffic through Tor or a VPN. Will they block VPNs like authoritarian states?
    - Gud 3y ago
      The EU is an authoritarian state. Nowadays it is only nominally democratic, with a bigger and bigger wedge between the ruling elite and the population. What makes you think they won't filter out means of private communication? It's just an electronic box from china.
      - yencabulator 3y ago
        Do you really think a western, democratic, government will forbid HTTPS?
        manonthewall 3y ago
        I can fully see them eventually making it illegal and enforcing a new encrypted protocol to which they have the keys for. Obviously, such a setup would leak, but the people who make these rules think they are flawless and omniscient and think they could keep such keys private into perpetuity. They also assume that future government won't be even more totalitarian than them.
        Gud 3y ago
        There is nothing magical about western “democracies”. Similar law was already passed in the UK. To stop laws like this, the power needs to return to the people. That means, dismantling the EU and implementing direct democracy.
        stracer 3y ago
        You're assuming direct democracy will be better in this aspect. Why? Direct democracy is likely to result in naive populist decisions, and a big enough threat will scare majority of people into relinquishing liberties.
        miohtama 3y ago
        They will not block HTTPS. They will go after every commecial provider who does not give access to the private messages of their users.
        stracer 3y ago
        It is possible, and even in a democratic way. When large enough majority, defined in constitution, votes for destruction of democratic constitution, it is still a democratic process. It's a known bug of the usual democratic systems.
        yencabulator 3y ago
        I didn't ask if something is possible, I asked if they think it will happen. As far as I'm concerned, the parent commenter is fearmongering because they've decided they hate the EU, and everything else comes secondary to that.
    - miohtama 3y ago
      > Will they block VPNs like authoritarian states? Yes. Not yet, next.

It is very concerning. However, can they enforce this? How will they prevent me from e.g. connecting to a XMPP or a Signal server hidden behind Tor? IMHO, they will only be able to spy on regular citizens. Obviously, this is not a reason not to lobby against the law.

Gud 3y ago
1) they will fine meta/Apple/etc until they comply 2) they will fine FOSS developers until they comply 3) they will fine YOU until you comply
- nextos 3y ago
  I don't think this is feasible if its only a EU-wide regulation. It is hard to prevent me or any regular user from downloading and running software. Are they going to block Git forges and repositories? They won't be able to see what my communications are, nor confirm what I am using if I tunnel all traffic through Tor or a VPN. Will they block VPNs like authoritarian states?
  - Gud 3y ago
    The EU is an authoritarian state. Nowadays it is only nominally democratic, with a bigger and bigger wedge between the ruling elite and the population. What makes you think they won't filter out means of private communication? It's just an electronic box from china.
    - yencabulator 3y ago
      Do you really think a western, democratic, government will forbid HTTPS?
      - manonthewall 3y ago
        I can fully see them eventually making it illegal and enforcing a new encrypted protocol to which they have the keys for. Obviously, such a setup would leak, but the people who make these rules think they are flawless and omniscient and think they could keep such keys private into perpetuity. They also assume that future government won't be even more totalitarian than them.
      - Gud 3y ago
        There is nothing magical about western “democracies”. Similar law was already passed in the UK. To stop laws like this, the power needs to return to the people. That means, dismantling the EU and implementing direct democracy.
        stracer 3y ago
        You're assuming direct democracy will be better in this aspect. Why? Direct democracy is likely to result in naive populist decisions, and a big enough threat will scare majority of people into relinquishing liberties.
      - miohtama 3y ago
        They will not block HTTPS. They will go after every commecial provider who does not give access to the private messages of their users.
      - stracer 3y ago
        It is possible, and even in a democratic way. When large enough majority, defined in constitution, votes for destruction of democratic constitution, it is still a democratic process. It's a known bug of the usual democratic systems.
        yencabulator 3y ago
        I didn't ask if something is possible, I asked if they think it will happen. As far as I'm concerned, the parent commenter is fearmongering because they've decided they hate the EU, and everything else comes secondary to that.
  - miohtama 3y ago
    > Will they block VPNs like authoritarian states? Yes. Not yet, next.