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What's most concerning to me is that this is the Commission pushing this agenda. The European Council is already a mash-up of national populism of all kind, but
by masswerk 3y ago
What's most concerning to me is that this is the Commission pushing this agenda. The European Council is already a mash-up of national populism of all kind, but the Commission is expected to be the (last) bastion of reason against this. Then, as we deep-dive into this {$favorite_swear_word}, we're going to replace deliberate warrants issued by judges for individual cases by general scanning, because A.I.? Really? — This kind of thinking may be the real threat in A.I., derailing reason itself in some kind of drunken illusion of omnipotence. It's like the military-industrial complex for the civil world.
- hollander 3y agoA.I. will definitely be used to scan the data
- nextos 3y agoIt is very concerning. However, can they enforce this? How will they prevent me from e.g. connecting to a XMPP or a Signal server hidden behind Tor? IMHO, they will only be able to spy on regular citizens. Obviously, this is not a reason not to lobby against the law.
- Gud 3y ago1) they will fine meta/Apple/etc until they comply 2) they will fine FOSS developers until they comply 3) they will fine YOU until you comply
- nextos 3y agoI don't think this is feasible if its only a EU-wide regulation. It is hard to prevent me or any regular user from downloading and running software. Are they going to block Git forges and repositories? They won't be able to see what my communications are, nor confirm what I am using if I tunnel all traffic through Tor or a VPN. Will they block VPNs like authoritarian states?
- Gud 3y agoThe EU is an authoritarian state. Nowadays it is only nominally democratic, with a bigger and bigger wedge between the ruling elite and the population. What makes you think they won't filter out means of private communication? It's just an electronic box from china.
- yencabulator 3y agoDo you really think a western, democratic, government will forbid HTTPS?
- manonthewall 3y agoI can fully see them eventually making it illegal and enforcing a new encrypted protocol to which they have the keys for. Obviously, such a setup would leak, but the people who make these rules think they are flawless and omniscient and think they could keep such keys private into perpetuity. They also assume that future government won't be even more totalitarian than them.
- Gud 3y agoThere is nothing magical about western “democracies”. Similar law was already passed in the UK. To stop laws like this, the power needs to return to the people. That means, dismantling the EU and implementing direct democracy.
- stracer 3y agoYou're assuming direct democracy will be better in this aspect. Why? Direct democracy is likely to result in naive populist decisions, and a big enough threat will scare majority of people into relinquishing liberties.
- miohtama 3y agoThey will not block HTTPS. They will go after every commecial provider who does not give access to the private messages of their users.
- sva_ 3y ago> What's most concerning to me is that this is the Commission pushing this agenda. And they're also pushing emotionally manipulative propaganda in the form of advertisements through microtargeting on social media platforms[0]. [0] original: https://netzpolitik.org/2023/politisches-mikrotargeting-eu-kommission-schaltet-irrefuehrende-werbung-fuer-chatkontrolle-auf-x/#netzpolitik-pw https://netzpolitik.org/2023/politisches-mikrotargeting-eu-k... [0] translated: https://netzpolitik-org.translate.goog/2023/politisches-mikrotargeting-eu-kommission-schaltet-irrefuehrende-werbung-fuer-chatkontrolle-auf-x/?_x_tr_sl=so&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp#netzpolitik-pw https://netzpolitik-org.translate.goog/2023/politisches-mikr...