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Americans don't know how to make "friends." I'm an immigrant from a slavic country. I grew up in the north east of the U.S. -- the more continental/European pa
by friendlyguy 3y ago
Americans don't know how to make "friends."
I'm an immigrant from a slavic country. I grew up in the north east of the U.S. -- the more continental/European part of this country. My experience has been that Americans outside of this small cultural nook are: 1. dishonest and insincere; 2. socially performative and inauthentic; 3. conversationally shallow and mentally dull; 4. self-centered and unconscientious; 5. culturally stunted, making for a characteristic mixture that precludes them from having any deep friendships.
I'm sure many slavs will understand the culture shock of being asked an insincere "how are you?" Americans don't care how you are. It's a social performance to signal "I'm normal. Are you normal?" Once that has been broached, the next step is to engage in a shallow, safe, and completely meaningless conversation to assert to one another that yes, each person is still mentally sound (in the American definition of the word; i.e., do you fit in). As opposed to Europeans (sans Nordics), Americans are deathly self-conscious of their image, what people think of them, and whether or not what they say can and will be used against them in a court of public opinion. This ends up manifesting in shallow conversations and a lack of authenticity. Very few Americans will be able to say, honestly and openly, to another what they really think and feel. And what they do say is always chained down by decades of having to self-censor, so it comes out inelegant, clumsy, and as though they never really put much thought into what they think. It is impossible to make friends if you're unwilling to let go, and speak from the soul. Friendship requires vulnerability. It requires that you be able to present yourself as who you are, and be ready for someone to not like you. Europeans can handle disagreement and coexist with one another, despite differing opinions. In spite of America's "melting pot" status, they still cannot coexist with different ideas and view points -- they always take it as a challenge to make their ideas known, rather than to try to understand the other's -- or as a podium to make known how insular and unworldly they are.
Having been in this country for 40 years, I have not made a single American "friend." I have countless American acquaintances in my phone book, but none are what I would call a friend. The only interesting conversations I've had with Americans have been from those on the autistic spectrum, the rest have been utterly uninspiring. Contrast this to my rich social life with the those from all sorts of cultures: latins, europeans, slavics, asians, oceanics, britons, I have numerous people I call friend in these groups. They understand the give-and-take, push-and-pull, speak-and-listen dynamic of socialization. Americans only know "me, me, me." How can you be friends with someone who only ever talks about pedestrian topics? Who never is truly genuine with the world, nor himself? Who is not open to live and suffer? You can't.
American's issues stem from their lack of culture. They are devoid of any deeper concepts or values. Partly the incessant protestant values. Partly that anyone with a soul will have to deaden themselves to get along. Partly the inability to stop what they're doing and simply exist.
Provocative yes. But these are my observations, and they haven't been twisted and turned to comply with whatever flavor of cultural fad pervades the current zeitgeist -- or butchered to "get along."
- zeroonetwothree 3y agoI’m an immigrant from a Slavic country and my only friends are native Americans. For some reason I just feel like I get along with the culture and mindset better. However I’m not going to generalize this to millions of people since I think it’s more of a personal preference.
- friendlyguy 3y agoI've traveled throughout this entire country, and met all sorts of people. At a certain point there are patterns that connect them all; even something as basic as "the majority of them speak English." Not all Americans are like this, but there is an American way of being that's starkly visible to me, and unignorable once you've seen it 100s of times.
- stuxnet79 3y agoIt is very hard to communicate this to someone who hasn't interacted with a diverse group of people or spent a significant amount of time outside North America. I also immigrated to America when I was young, having spent the first decade of my life in a cultural context where communication styles are more direct and the notion of "friendship" is different. Now many decades later, I can say that how people interact with each other here is not something that I accept or understand. Developing genuine connections here is extremely difficult and it doesn't have to be that way. In short, "friendship" as a concept just doesn't exist in America. I've completely given up on trying to make connections with others whose only frame of reference is the image conscious culture here. I can't say I have a lot of close friends but the people in my life who I get along with and appreciate are without exceptions people who recently immigrated here from continental europe, africa, latin america, asia etc.
- zozbot234 3y agoI'm not sure that it makes sense to talk about a single "culture and mindset" being shared by all Native groups or the like, since they're going to have a whole lot of variation in cultural heritage, status etc. It would be interesting to know what Native groups, tribes, bands etc. you've been involved with.