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Huh, wow, yeah I never heard of this but that makes complete sense. I spent a bit of time helping by at an elementary and though it took a bit to click, it was

Huh, wow, yeah I never heard of this but that makes complete sense. I spent a bit of time helping by at an elementary and though it took a bit to click, it was painfully obvious that a lot of the worst behaved kids were doing so as way to hide the fact that they could not read. And yeah, the idea of trying to get kids to read by just making them read does seem like bullshit vs teaching it as a skill.

rdtsc 3y ago
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- jncfhnb 3y ago
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  - giantg2 3y ago
    I wouldn't say that the teachers are necessarily bad or lazy, just as I wouldn't say devs are bad or lazy. However, I do agree with some of what the prior person was saying. If anyone is given the option to do something in an easier way, they're likely to do it. I think the teachers/schools would have selected the tablets/laptops because the education companies selling them marketed them as an improvement. In some ways they are. In other ways, I'm not so sure. Look at devs. It's easy to create a Lambda on AWS, or to drop some files in S3. It's faster, cheaper, etc than setting up the infrastructure yourself (typically). Now these devs have no idea of how to set up servers, NAS, etc. Who cares about optimization because the details are handled for you. Now we'll wait and see how it plays out. Same thing for early laptop use as primary learning medium. Maybe handwriting and lack of spellchecker won't be a big deal in the real world. Also, I'm touring local schools currently. The ones so far has said they do a hybrid of physical and laptop learning. So far every class I've walked past has the kids on the laptop except for an art class.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Pursuing options that are faster and cheaper because you’re trying to be efficient is not the same thing as giving kids a laptop and checking out to browse social media.
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  - rdtsc 3y ago
    > While I respect that you might have experience with a particularly bad school, Thanks for respect! Not sure the school is particular bad, but the general model picked for teaching reading is the one that minimizes possible confrontation, While I respect that you might have experience with a particularly bad school, one-on-one instruction, and is general the seems to require the least effort from the teacher. > fuck off with Ok. So respect first, but then I have to quickly go away? "screw yourself" is another interpretation, I guess. Thanks for the advice, then! > That’s a disgusting slander for a very difficult job. Oh for sure. It's usually underpaid and unappreciated by society. So given that, which model do you think they'll pick for teaching students? The one which requires more effort or least effort. They picked the one which requires least effort and least confrontation, both with the students and the parents (parents are usually are worse than the students).
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Yes, screw you for broadly suggesting that teachers generally prefer to hand kids devices and browse social media. There is a world of difference between needing to find compromises because they’re under resourced and willfully checking out with minimal effort. You are not recognizing they are “ underpaid and unappreciated by society”. You’re calling them lazy and uninterested in teaching. Also screw you for doubling down on it.

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jncfhnb 3y ago
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- giantg2 3y ago
  I wouldn't say that the teachers are necessarily bad or lazy, just as I wouldn't say devs are bad or lazy. However, I do agree with some of what the prior person was saying. If anyone is given the option to do something in an easier way, they're likely to do it. I think the teachers/schools would have selected the tablets/laptops because the education companies selling them marketed them as an improvement. In some ways they are. In other ways, I'm not so sure. Look at devs. It's easy to create a Lambda on AWS, or to drop some files in S3. It's faster, cheaper, etc than setting up the infrastructure yourself (typically). Now these devs have no idea of how to set up servers, NAS, etc. Who cares about optimization because the details are handled for you. Now we'll wait and see how it plays out. Same thing for early laptop use as primary learning medium. Maybe handwriting and lack of spellchecker won't be a big deal in the real world. Also, I'm touring local schools currently. The ones so far has said they do a hybrid of physical and laptop learning. So far every class I've walked past has the kids on the laptop except for an art class.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Pursuing options that are faster and cheaper because you’re trying to be efficient is not the same thing as giving kids a laptop and checking out to browse social media.
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- rdtsc 3y ago
  > While I respect that you might have experience with a particularly bad school, Thanks for respect! Not sure the school is particular bad, but the general model picked for teaching reading is the one that minimizes possible confrontation, While I respect that you might have experience with a particularly bad school, one-on-one instruction, and is general the seems to require the least effort from the teacher. > fuck off with Ok. So respect first, but then I have to quickly go away? "screw yourself" is another interpretation, I guess. Thanks for the advice, then! > That’s a disgusting slander for a very difficult job. Oh for sure. It's usually underpaid and unappreciated by society. So given that, which model do you think they'll pick for teaching students? The one which requires more effort or least effort. They picked the one which requires least effort and least confrontation, both with the students and the parents (parents are usually are worse than the students).
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Yes, screw you for broadly suggesting that teachers generally prefer to hand kids devices and browse social media. There is a world of difference between needing to find compromises because they’re under resourced and willfully checking out with minimal effort. You are not recognizing they are “ underpaid and unappreciated by society”. You’re calling them lazy and uninterested in teaching. Also screw you for doubling down on it.