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> I think the only place advertising should be allowed is in a marketplace setting That's the horrifying beauty of it. Everything has been turned into a market

> I think the only place advertising should be allowed is in a marketplace setting That's the horrifying beauty of it. Everything has been turned into a marketplace.

bflesch 3y ago
Everything is a marketplace. In all situations, the human being follows incentices.
- majewsky 3y ago
  The first does not follow from the second. Historically, incentives on human behavior have tended much more towards collaboration than competition. If all human behavior was framed as a competition, we would not have been able to construct communities.
  - SideQuark 3y ago
    >Historically, incentives on human behavior have tended much more towards collaboration than competition Humans spent far longer in kill others mode than in don't kill others mode. Incentives to not kill others is fairly new in history.
    - chmod775 3y ago
      Can you cite the pop-sci TV show you got that from? You've got it exactly the wrong way around. Evidence of deadly human-on-human violence mostly starts showing up with the Neolithic period, before that humans didn't go out of their way to kill each other as much. It looks a lot like you need to be settled and amass possessions to give people a good enough reason to kill each other. That's recent behavior as far as our species is concerned.
      - gilbetron 3y ago
        https://ourworldindata.org/ethnographic-and-archaeological-evidence-on-violent-deaths https://ourworldindata.org/ethnographic-and-archaeological-e... Death by homicide seems much worse the further back you go, on balance.
    - krisoft 3y ago
      When you say “fairly new” what timeframe are you thinking about? Just because we have a ton of evidence of humans collaborating as far as historical artifacts go back. But then of course with the appropriate perspective almost everything is fairly new. Would you call Göbekli Tepe fairly new for example? After all 9000 BCE was just yesterday compared to the invention of multicellular life for example. Which is also massively about cooperation.
- tempodox 3y ago
  That's just the ultra-capitalist creed.
  - argiopetech 3y ago
    And that's just name calling. Can you name a modern monetary theory that does not model supply and demand (production and consumption , if you prefer) and does not devolve quickly into black markets in practice?
- MereInterest 3y ago
  Following incentives is not the same as a marketplace. Marketplaces have a number of additional assumptions. * Items are capable of being traded. * The items being traded are unchanged by the process of assigning a numeric value. * Abstract concepts such as “risk” and “investment” are best measured in the same numeric values as are used for concrete items. Adding to that, even if I were to accept the reasoning that following incentives is equivalent to being in a marketplace, your statement that “In all situations, the human being follows incentives .” is simply untrue. It ignores the existence of self-sacrifice (e.g. a soldier sacrificing themself to save comrades), the existence of self-harm (e.g. Jonestown), and the distinction between incentives and perceived incentives (e.g. also Jonestown).
- orange-mentor 3y ago
  Ew, yuck

> I think the only place advertising should be allowed is in a marketplace setting That's the horrifying beauty of it. Everything has been turned into a marketplace.

bflesch 3y ago

Everything is a marketplace. In all situations, the human being follows incentices.

majewsky 3y ago
The first does not follow from the second. Historically, incentives on human behavior have tended much more towards collaboration than competition. If all human behavior was framed as a competition, we would not have been able to construct communities.
- SideQuark 3y ago
  >Historically, incentives on human behavior have tended much more towards collaboration than competition Humans spent far longer in kill others mode than in don't kill others mode. Incentives to not kill others is fairly new in history.
  - chmod775 3y ago
    Can you cite the pop-sci TV show you got that from? You've got it exactly the wrong way around. Evidence of deadly human-on-human violence mostly starts showing up with the Neolithic period, before that humans didn't go out of their way to kill each other as much. It looks a lot like you need to be settled and amass possessions to give people a good enough reason to kill each other. That's recent behavior as far as our species is concerned.
    - gilbetron 3y ago
      https://ourworldindata.org/ethnographic-and-archaeological-evidence-on-violent-deaths https://ourworldindata.org/ethnographic-and-archaeological-e... Death by homicide seems much worse the further back you go, on balance.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    When you say “fairly new” what timeframe are you thinking about? Just because we have a ton of evidence of humans collaborating as far as historical artifacts go back. But then of course with the appropriate perspective almost everything is fairly new. Would you call Göbekli Tepe fairly new for example? After all 9000 BCE was just yesterday compared to the invention of multicellular life for example. Which is also massively about cooperation.
tempodox 3y ago
That's just the ultra-capitalist creed.
- argiopetech 3y ago
  And that's just name calling. Can you name a modern monetary theory that does not model supply and demand (production and consumption , if you prefer) and does not devolve quickly into black markets in practice?
MereInterest 3y ago
Following incentives is not the same as a marketplace. Marketplaces have a number of additional assumptions. * Items are capable of being traded. * The items being traded are unchanged by the process of assigning a numeric value. * Abstract concepts such as “risk” and “investment” are best measured in the same numeric values as are used for concrete items. Adding to that, even if I were to accept the reasoning that following incentives is equivalent to being in a marketplace, your statement that “In all situations, the human being follows incentives .” is simply untrue. It ignores the existence of self-sacrifice (e.g. a soldier sacrificing themself to save comrades), the existence of self-harm (e.g. Jonestown), and the distinction between incentives and perceived incentives (e.g. also Jonestown).
orange-mentor 3y ago
Ew, yuck