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Now that DRM are part of the web standards, and TPM are generalized, it's game over. I predict youtube will escalate this way: - Pump up aggressive anti ad bl

Now that DRM are part of the web standards, and TPM are generalized, it's game over. I predict youtube will escalate this way: - Pump up aggressive anti ad block measures. - It will fail, so they will enforce DRM so that they have control. - It will not be enough, so they will ask to only serve DRM to "trusted browsers". - And it will not suffice, so the trusted browser will have to run on a trusted OS checked by hardware. That will work since almost nobody will take the risk to jailbreak their expensive device. And we will all have lost.

JodieBenitez 3y ago
> And we will all have lost. Or we will all be gone elsewhere ?
- BiteCode_dev 3y ago
  Who? The people paying thousands of dollars for locked down mac devices they never modify, the ones giving all their data to social network and clicking on ads or the ones sending money to the NPC streamers to watch them licking an imaginary icecream? HN is the opposite of their market.
_Algernon_ 3y ago
Youtube just isn't valueable enough (in my mind), to get away with that.
- BiteCode_dev 3y ago
  The new generation knows mostly the web through jailed devices called "smartphones". They will have no idea, and just assume that's how things are. HN bubble strikes again.
  - _Algernon_ 3y ago
    I'm well aware that I'm an outlier here which is why I stated "in my mind". Not sure why you feel the need to write "HN bubble strikes again" except for a lack of reading comprehension or an attempt at trolling.
    - taway1237 3y ago
      I also assumed that by saying "in my mind" you mean "in my opinion". English is not my first lamguare, but I think this is a reasonable reading? If you wanted to say "youtube is not important enough for me" then your post reads weird - what is youtube going to get away with? Losing you personally? I think they'll get over it.
Tor3 3y ago
If the day comes when it's impossible to watch Youtube without ads I'll have to leave, despite how important youtube is for me currently. I just can't watch ads. It's impossible. I don't watch a single TV channel with ads, it's too painful. So, advertisement-supported "moving pictures" (or sound, for that matter - I never listen to radio channels serving ads either) is out of the question, with no exceptions for me personally.
- BiteCode_dev 3y ago
  Tv says there are plenty of people who will suffer ads. Spotify free offer is also proof of that.
- ta1243 3y ago
  My understanding is you can pay a relatively small amount and get ad-free youtube. At least google ads. You'd still need sponsorblock. That said I do like a well designed sponsor. Map Men for example, I'd rather not watch them.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
Yup. Only way we can possibly win is by writing computing freedom into actual law. Make it literally illegal for them to use cryptography to violate our freedoms. Service providers should be required by law to interoperate with our computers, no matter what software we choose to run. If we reverse engineer their little apps and make free software versions, they should have to suck it up. We used to be able to buy whatever phone, modem or router we wanted and hook it up to the network with no issues. Software should work the same way.
- doctor_radium 3y ago
  I'm thinking about a corollary to Net Neutrality (which is allegedly coming back thanks to the new Biden-appointed FCC commissioner) which states that public web sites need to be accessible by the public. I've ranted about this a few times on HN. This isn't about working around bugs and quirks in umpteen different versions of umpteen different browsers, but making sure we don't start actively coding hard stops again: "Your browser is too old" messages, endless Captchas, purposely giving one browser a clearly worse or even unusable experience. Incompetence would be embarrassing but not illegal. Whenever I find the time, I really want to send the FCC a registered mail packet with my proposal and lots of examples of why this is already necessary. And yes, the web sites will need to suck it up. You can't choose your visitors...which may occassionally be a bot or screen scraper.

JodieBenitez 3y ago

> And we will all have lost. Or we will all be gone elsewhere ?

BiteCode_dev 3y ago
Who? The people paying thousands of dollars for locked down mac devices they never modify, the ones giving all their data to social network and clicking on ads or the ones sending money to the NPC streamers to watch them licking an imaginary icecream? HN is the opposite of their market.

_Algernon_ 3y ago

Youtube just isn't valueable enough (in my mind), to get away with that.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago
The new generation knows mostly the web through jailed devices called "smartphones". They will have no idea, and just assume that's how things are. HN bubble strikes again.
- _Algernon_ 3y ago
  I'm well aware that I'm an outlier here which is why I stated "in my mind". Not sure why you feel the need to write "HN bubble strikes again" except for a lack of reading comprehension or an attempt at trolling.
  - taway1237 3y ago
    I also assumed that by saying "in my mind" you mean "in my opinion". English is not my first lamguare, but I think this is a reasonable reading? If you wanted to say "youtube is not important enough for me" then your post reads weird - what is youtube going to get away with? Losing you personally? I think they'll get over it.

Tor3 3y ago

If the day comes when it's impossible to watch Youtube without ads I'll have to leave, despite how important youtube is for me currently. I just can't watch ads. It's impossible. I don't watch a single TV channel with ads, it's too painful. So, advertisement-supported "moving pictures" (or sound, for that matter - I never listen to radio channels serving ads either) is out of the question, with no exceptions for me personally.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago
Tv says there are plenty of people who will suffer ads. Spotify free offer is also proof of that.
ta1243 3y ago
My understanding is you can pay a relatively small amount and get ad-free youtube. At least google ads. You'd still need sponsorblock. That said I do like a well designed sponsor. Map Men for example, I'd rather not watch them.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

Yup. Only way we can possibly win is by writing computing freedom into actual law. Make it literally illegal for them to use cryptography to violate our freedoms. Service providers should be required by law to interoperate with our computers, no matter what software we choose to run. If we reverse engineer their little apps and make free software versions, they should have to suck it up. We used to be able to buy whatever phone, modem or router we wanted and hook it up to the network with no issues. Software should work the same way.

doctor_radium 3y ago
I'm thinking about a corollary to Net Neutrality (which is allegedly coming back thanks to the new Biden-appointed FCC commissioner) which states that public web sites need to be accessible by the public. I've ranted about this a few times on HN. This isn't about working around bugs and quirks in umpteen different versions of umpteen different browsers, but making sure we don't start actively coding hard stops again: "Your browser is too old" messages, endless Captchas, purposely giving one browser a clearly worse or even unusable experience. Incompetence would be embarrassing but not illegal. Whenever I find the time, I really want to send the FCC a registered mail packet with my proposal and lots of examples of why this is already necessary. And yes, the web sites will need to suck it up. You can't choose your visitors...which may occassionally be a bot or screen scraper.