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> Gas is pretty expensive, and some EVs are cheap or even free to charge How are you charging an EV for free? I know some employers offer that, if you have a

by jjav 3y ago

> Gas is pretty expensive, and some EVs are cheap or even free to charge How are you charging an EV for free? I know some employers offer that, if you have a sweet deal like that I get it, but that is not the norm. Here in Silicon Valley with daytime electricity being 73c/kWh thanks to PG&E, charging is pretty expensive too.

Zanni 3y ago
Where are you getting that figure? $0.73/kWh is insane. Rates in Hawaii (known for expensive electricity) are like 1/3 of that. I can't find anything close to that on this rate sheet (current as of June 1, 2023: https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/customer-service/other-services/alternative-energy-providers/community-choice-aggregation/svce_rateclasscomparison.pdf https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/customer-service/...
- jjav 3y ago
  I get the number from my October'23 PG&E bill in front of me. I'm on the EV2A plan. The numbers on that website link are not what they charge on the actual bill. I don't know why they are allowed to publish fake numbers. Here are the exact numbers from my October bill: Peak rate: 58.4 delivery + 14.8 generation = 73.2 c/kWh Part peak: 47.4 delivery + 8.3 generation = 55.7 c/kWh Off-peak: 27.2 delivery + 7.1 generation = 34.4 c/kWh
Rebelgecko 3y ago
Employer is one option, but free L2 charging isn't that rare around me in Southern California. A lot of grocery stores, pharmacies, department stores and similar businesses use free charging to differentiate themselves from competitors.
- jjav 3y ago
  Interesting. In this area there are no free public chargers. The best one we've found is at Whole Foods but it was around 60c/kWh (don't have my notes here for exact price). Maybe because there are so many EVs in norcal that businesses can't afford to make these free.
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    Wow, that's crazy. The L2 chargers around me are mostly around $1-$2/hr, so around 20-30 cents per kWh (that's around the same as the residential electricity price, so I imagine Chargepoint & Friends are getting a better rate)

by jjav 3y ago

Zanni 3y ago

Where are you getting that figure? $0.73/kWh is insane. Rates in Hawaii (known for expensive electricity) are like 1/3 of that. I can't find anything close to that on this rate sheet (current as of June 1, 2023: https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/customer-service/other-services/alternative-energy-providers/community-choice-aggregation/svce_rateclasscomparison.pdf https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/customer-service/...

jjav 3y ago
I get the number from my October'23 PG&E bill in front of me. I'm on the EV2A plan. The numbers on that website link are not what they charge on the actual bill. I don't know why they are allowed to publish fake numbers. Here are the exact numbers from my October bill: Peak rate: 58.4 delivery + 14.8 generation = 73.2 c/kWh Part peak: 47.4 delivery + 8.3 generation = 55.7 c/kWh Off-peak: 27.2 delivery + 7.1 generation = 34.4 c/kWh

Rebelgecko 3y ago

Employer is one option, but free L2 charging isn't that rare around me in Southern California. A lot of grocery stores, pharmacies, department stores and similar businesses use free charging to differentiate themselves from competitors.

jjav 3y ago
Interesting. In this area there are no free public chargers. The best one we've found is at Whole Foods but it was around 60c/kWh (don't have my notes here for exact price). Maybe because there are so many EVs in norcal that businesses can't afford to make these free.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  Wow, that's crazy. The L2 chargers around me are mostly around $1-$2/hr, so around 20-30 cents per kWh (that's around the same as the residential electricity price, so I imagine Chargepoint & Friends are getting a better rate)